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Not for any other reason than you beat me too the point, but I'll agree with your position that challenges the "people are basically good". Rather than say that people are basically good or bad, they will tend (slippery slope, i know) to do what is basically good for the collective group. Humans, like their cousins, are social animals. We live together in communities, survive together, and prosper together. We have evolved this way. It is in the best interest of the human race that we do so. 12,000 years of human prosperity isn't as much goodwill as it is instinct. I'm curious how theadvancedapes sees this one...