Damnit I never really though of the stealing moral problem, but you make me wake up in the middle of the night. And I hate debating on the internet.

But seriously you're obfuscating the problem. And you doing it by using the oldest trick: appeal to sentiment. You put an object into existence. By saying it's old you give it some sort of historical value. Plus you add your grandfather for sentimental hook. And you dit not choose a dumb object like a spoon or a dildo, but an object with mystical , almost sacred values as it does the exploit of counting the time itself.

You add layers and layers of irrelevant junk to get your point across. If I used the same type of argument, I would add: What if your grandfather was a nazi with thousand of dead on his conscience ? You see?

That's just blurring lines around until nothing is right or wrong, and we should continue to condemn stealing out of inertia.

And dont get me started on your second argument : putting opinionated though in my mind to discredit my opinion on the subject as biased.

You're a naughty naughty rhetorician! I hope you received stones and pebbles for Christmas. !