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kleinbl00  ·  2935 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Has anyone read "Rationality: From AI to Zombies" by Eliezer Yudkowsky

You missed the basic point about "the acoustical engineer lecturer" which is really problematic as the last time I quoted it, it was legit in a takedown of The Last Psychiatrist:

    The basic point of it is this: trust the people who tell you they don't know.

It's this simple: SSC, Yudikowsky and the whole LessWrong constellation aren't saying "I don't know. Does anybody know?" They're saying "I know beyond any doubt and anybody who says I don't is the enemy."

If you put forth a hypothesis you are inviting scrutiny, criticism and exploration of that hypothesis by others. In this way the hypothesis is tested and regardless of the outcome, someone's getting an education. The knowledgebase of the local ecosystem will increase. If you instead put forth a maxim you are silencing dissent, discouraging investigation and drawing battle lines between schools of thought.

Leo Baranek? Here's this thing I know. Let me explain it. Things I don't know I'm eager to learn.

Eliezer Yudikowsky? If I'm talking about it, I know it and if you disagree, you're wrong.

We've done this before:

    This is so offensively wrong it's infuriating me.

    I know you love the guy so I'll hold back but this is weapons-grade bullshit.

I coulda sworn I've posted SSC before. Apparently I've only even commented on it once. It's not that I think they have nothing to say - the Yudikowsky box experiment is primal Faustian-level intrigue and I love the idea of it. but they're just so fucking full of themselves and so far beyond the ability to see the limits of their insight that reading their diatribes in a non-critical frame of mind makes you think you've learned a fact when you've learned an opinion.

And it's not that they don't defend their opinions. It's that they view their opinions as beyond the need of defense.

That graph you linked? That's taxonomy. That's a naming-of-things, not a knowledge-of-things. Right - no one has ever won an argument by pointing and shouting "base rate fallacy" except on the Internet. The Internet is a place that confounds "argument from authority" and "appeal to authority fallacy" in pretty much every Reddit thread ever. Taxonomy without insight allows choads to think that someone is unqualified to speak about something if they quote their own expertise.

Boys can name a hundred different dinosaurs. Doesn't mean they'd fare any better on the plains of the Cretaceous.