| say it face to face, or not at all That's not really an option for a community which is grounded 100% in the virtual space. At least, not literally - none of us can speak to TFFG'a face. if we take the idiom, "face to face," and apply it less factually here/to Hubski, then "say something face to face, or not at all," has a few possible translations. Either - attempt to say your thoughts in direct contact with their subject (DM, email) - if possible - in this scenario, it's not; or, at minimum, say what you have to say publicly on the forum in a way and place that TFFG can be assumed to view it. All our names are attached to our comments; history lends us naturally to the assumption that if it's a post on the front page of Hubski, TFFG will see it; it's hard not to argue that this is the closest to face-to-face that Hubski gets. Especially when you deactivate and thus remove any other direct contact method. Besides, you can't possibly learn from knowledge others may have if you leave them out of the conversation. ---- As for the bid to stop taking sides and forming opinions - ... why are we all on this website again? Right, I must've forgotten: like the judge said, jus' the facts, ma'am, & nuthin else. We could make a sarcastic remark here about who's facts are most important, but I prefer to point out the opportunity and keep my opinions to myself. --- Besides-besides, we can't have conversations about what needs work on hubski, or what does work, or how to engage users, or basically anything meta about "what's right/wrong and how to improve/fix it" if we don't take a look at and have an awareness of who leaves hubski and what contributing factors may be identified. --- If the community drove TFFG away from hubski in part because some members publicly said negative things about him such as what's been mostly deleted in this thread, that's our answer. -- Maybe the community is shitty. Maybe everyone doesn't fit in. Maybe a little bit of both. (Maybe some users are shitty. Maybe, but who?) Don't ask me, but this thread isn't a black hole contributing nothing. Question is who sees the value and are they seeing the right one. You can pick up what I put down or you can pick up any other refuse instead. All I can do is put what I've got to put down and see if anyone differentiates.