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No no, I mean, when I do arithmetic or algebra only, it feels like I've cheated and made unrealistic assumptions. I'm almost inclined to go looking for an integral or something, but it's like you said, there's not a point, here. Maybe I am desperate! Us chump experimentalists use real numbers all the time. Come join us on the dark side, Devac :D. edit: But be careful out there! I've already written a satirical public service announcement skit that culminates with my pilot friend, wearing full captain's attire in the cockpit of the jets he flies, looking deadpan into the camera and saying, "Remember: If it's math, on a plane, it's a bomb."Does it even need calculus?