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I don't really care to weigh in on whether Orenstein is a valuable source of dialogue, as I haven't read her books and don't really want to do that much research for this comment. The interview I just read talks about pressure from fathers, but it also touches on how boys influence each other. I thought her observation that the boys she interviewed were both part of the problem and bothered by the problem was insightful, and I think she said it in a way that showed sympathy for that dissonance. I dunno man. I'm not disagreeing with you because you didn't really talk about the article at all, but I thought the article has potential as a a good jumping off point for important discussions.