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Alex mainly starts shouting over Piers when Piers tries to get him to repeat talking points off of a cue card. Alex is a stupid person to have on to debate this and that's why they chose to put him on (I think understanding that alone should be enough to think further into what the role of liberal media is). Personally, I think you hear "35 deaths in UK" and the case is closed, no other reasoning or logic will ever change your mind about the role of guns because of one single fact. That's certainly true for Piers himself.