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Yes, we agree. I was reiterating was I thought you were saying, not contradicting. Our form of consciousness gives us a perspective on the universe that we can't divorce ourselves from. Its an intractable problem. I had a theoretical physics prof in grad school (incidentally, the smartest person I've personally ever met) who used to always talk about how man had never come up with a purely abstract mathematics. That is, every mathematics system we have created has eventually found an application in physics. He believed this was a result of our type of consciousness, that we're part of the universe and can't imagine anything that isn't.