Wow, thank you for being so civil and thoughtful! This conversation would only ever happen so calmly on Hubski. (I was equally amazed when I realized I'd debated abortion twice with thenewgreen without a single digital equivalent of a raised voice.) I understand the anecdotal/emotional perspective. There are a lot of bad judges out there. Even if on the grander scale the system works fairly well, it's hard to ignore that there's really not much you can do if you happen to run into an instance of bias. I'm really huge on fatherhood myself, honestly. I'm not even sure I want kids, but if you want to melt me into a goopy puddle of formerly-Saydrah sludge, just show me a dad with his toddler daughter riding around on his shoulders. I'm watching my niece grow up with an absent father, and as great a kid as she is, it's hard on her. I like to think there are ways to make sure that fatherhood gets its due without the attacks on women that often come from the MRA side, and I think a lot of self-identified MRAs are working on exactly that.