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Great information thundara, thank you. I'll check out the Botony of Desire, I'll likely watch the PBS program as I am about to start a new book. It's always interesting to see the variances in heirloom fruits and vegetables compared to their conventional counterparts. I'm also amazed by how much we've been able to engineer things like shape, color and texture and how these things are rarely in the best interest of flavor or nutrition but rather logistics. Example: Tomato's have been bred to have thick skins, be firmer and round in shape and be uniform in size. This is all for the purpose of packaging. I look forward to watching the program, thanks again.