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kleinbl00  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: As a new user, how can I add value to this community?  ·  x 2

Li'l story. As long-time users of this site are aware, I have completed a novel. And as I was nearing the finish line, I began to think of clever, snide ways to announce to my Facebook friends that I had finished a novel - after all, many of them are also writers. It was a thought I had for a week or two, as I knew I was a few hundred words from done.

Then I typed the last sentence, and sat there, and realized that I'd accomplished something pretty monumental, as far as accomplishments go, and the whole idea of posting ANYTHING on Facebook got really unappealing.

My change of heart was directly related to my perception of Facebook. I have friends that only post when they've accomplished something monumental (one guy has a picture of him with DeNiro, another with the Dalai Lama). I have friends that never accomplish something monumental, so they post their breakfasts. I have friends that post vocabulary words. I have friends that check in whenever they're on vacation. And into this miasma of varying relevancy, I was trying to find some coy, clever way to say "finished a novel, bitchez."

No.

The act of announcing it on facebook would have trivialized my accomplishment. It's like texting a marriage proposal - why would you do that? Why would you sully such a thing with such a nonsensical platform?

* * *

Reddit refugees all have their reasons for leaving the Snoo behind. Most of them are related to the chatter, the chaff, the lack of substance, the insufficiency of content. Speaking as a mod of a default, most of them have no idea just how bad it could be but at the same time, I recognize and appreciate that it still isn't good enough. Over there, I mostly crack skulls. Over here, I mostly talk.

I talk because I think I have something to say.

That, in my trademark overly-verbose manner, is your answer: make the place more of what brought you here. Those things that drove you from Reddit? Do not share them, do not contribute to them, do not encourage them. Those things that brought you here? Add to them, share them, contribute to them.

I will say this. Hubski often has an overly-friendly relationship with self-produced content. Your pictures are going to be shared because many users don't understand the difference between "I support you" and "I want others to see your work." Do not expect a fair critique on anything, and understand that the more you flood the place with sub-par stuff just because you created it, the more likely others are to do the same. Got poetry? try it out on poetry groups, and if they like it, share it. Got photography? try it out on Flickr or the SFWPorn network and if they like it, share it. Got prose? Critters Critique is perfect for you. Hubski lacks the ruthlessness that makes Reddit what it is and in many ways, vacation pictures here will be regarded like Facebook but proliferated like Reddit.

Which is a roundabout way to say "step up your game." We've got some severely talented artisans here and I love to see their work... but I also hate to see their efforts drowned in a miasma of "hot chick shooting in black and white equals art."

It's what you bring to it. If you bring your best, that's what you'll see. If you bring your pun threads, I will mute and ignore you and anyone who responds.





b_b  ·  4101 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Hubski often has an overly-friendly relationship with self-produced content. Your pictures are going to be shared because many users don't understand the difference between "I support you" and "I want others to see your work."

Do you think this is a result of the hubwheel being the same for sharing and for upvoting a comment? Given that they're the same icon, I suppose it may be confusing. I wonder if this needs fixing.

Kafke  ·  4100 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is actually really tricky and has been kind of confusing since I got here. I wasn't sure what was happening to the comments when I clicked the wheel. Does this make the post "more shared"? Does it put this comment at the top, but only for people that follow me? Or is just like a reddit upvote?

I understand how the post voting works, that's pretty simple. It's like reddit, and people can subscribe to things you share. That understanding came pretty quick while I was on here.

Up until now, I've been hesitant to "share" comments, seeing as they aren't all something I want to "share". But if they just move the topic up and say "this is a good comment" then I'd be more likely to "share" it.

fckgwrhqq2yxrkt  ·  3833 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Did you ever figure out what does happen to a comment when you click the wheel? I haven't been able to figure that out myself.

Kafke  ·  3822 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes. Clicking the wheel essentially says "I like this and want others to see it." So when you click it for a submission/link, it "curates" that into a feed for the people following you. For comments, it makes that particular comment show up higher in the list. Similar to an up-vote on reddit.

kleinbl00  ·  4100 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's certainly part of it. It's also related to the openness of the site and the fact that even if the points don't go that high, they're still points.

I'd be hesitant to "fix" it. Fundamental changes for subtle mechanics are never a good idea.

AegonTargaryen  ·  4100 days ago  ·  link  ·  

As a new user, I absolutely agree. It wasn't until I read the FAQ that I found out the hub wheel by comments wasn't sharing the comments. I didn't really want to share comments so, I hadn't upvoted any.

Furthermore, I found myself sharing posts too liberally. Anything that wasn't horrible I was sharing again. I ended up going back to unshare a lot of things I had originally shared.

istara  ·  4100 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Just on your novel issue: what you should be doing is posting it not in the sense of a brag/accomplishment, but for publicity so people download/buy your work. I would expect a friend to publicise their novel on Facebook or email me about it.

I have one friend who has posted several updates, not spammy, but once in a while if there is new or related news (like he changed his agent, or is writing a new novel, or has published it in a new language, or if there is a topical news article that relates to his book).

So it's not:

    *"I've written a book!"*

It's:

    *"Here's my book you may wish to read"*

I'm no fan of Facebook, but it's not "sullying" your work to use it as a marketing channel. After all, many of your friends probably have the same interests as you, and may be the perfect target readership.

kleinbl00  ·  4100 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If my Facebook friends are an important part of my marketing strategy, I need a new marketing strategy. And if they're really friends, they're getting a free copy.

Besides which, "I finished a book" is a long haul from "My book is out."