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No. Sadly, I haven't read either. I'm aware of Lorenz, but just superficially. Ishmael was once on my to-do list, but I forgot about it. I'll put it back on.
Hey, look: http://www.ishmael.org/ows.cfm I think Ishmael might annoy me too! You would think that given that higher self-awareness was part of our evolutionary advantage, we could use it to keep our other 'assets' in check. Educate the hell out of everyone. It's our only hope.