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b_b  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: "The Right to Read"
I don't think you'll find a lot of friends of SOPA on here. Copyright was meant to protect IP, and ensure that creatives get paid, unlike what used to happen to blacks who wrote blues tunes in the first half of the 20th cen. I support copyright on principle, but they've turned it into something new. I support free investment, too, but not when the "investing" is done by supercomputers trying to trade a millisecond before human investors can, which is now considered "good business practice". I think that's the state of copyright. It has nothing to do with protecting creatives any more. Its just about corporate greed, lawyers figuring out how they can squeeze another few dollars into the bottom line.




alpha0  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Is it just greed for "royalties"? The New York Times Company just published a message via their proxy Boston Globe that indicates their support for SOPA. SOPA is designed to restrict dissemination of news and information to approved "news organizations" (never ever call them private companies - let's pretend they somehow magically have some sort of "right" or "station" in our society).

That means in the future, your children will only get their news from the outlets of The New York Times Company and other such private interests.

"We can not be a nation of bloggers". Saint Steve Jobs

b_b  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I can't search for the direct quote, because I'm at work (results filtering, ugh), but Jobs also once said his gift to the world was to be a porn-free internet. (I think a free porn internet is a far more noble goal, but that's neither here nor there.) He was clearly on the side of censorship, as of course most media outlets are. Its their business model. The question is how do you keep a good journalistic standard, which does require a lot of money, while making access available to those who benefit from it? We would never have thought it was okay to reprint NYT articles and sell them at a news stand. I'm not saying their right; I'm just saying its complicated.
caio  ·  4751 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>Jobs has made his thoughts on the topic very clear twice this year. In April, he told a press conference: "You know, there's a porn store for Android [phones using Google's software]. You can download porn, your kids can download porn. That's a place we don't want to go – so we're not going to go there." http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/may/25/ipad-porn-f...

And the email exchange with a Gawker reporter cited in the Guardian article. http://gawker.com/5539717/

alpha0  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgJU59FtRRM&feature=youtu...

edit:

Of course, any entity that produces original content is fully entitled to protect their product. The solution is pay-for-content model, and that is well within the technical reach of these corporations.

The New York Times Company, for example, has as of now deployed the infrastructure for this very purpose. It is called Sartre (an ecommerce platform). They have no valid reason whatsoever to overreach and lobby to curtail our civil rights.

b_b  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thanks. What a dick. I hate that when people die of cancer we have to pretend that they were awesome. He says "we can't be a nation of bloggers" but then that "we need to protect the editorial content". Isn't editorializing a lot of what bloggers do? The indispensable part of what NYT, Boston Globe, LAT, et. al do is put capable correspondents who are well connected in a lot of places around the world. That is what needs to be paid for, and that is what bloggers can't replicate. Any one can editorialize.
caio  ·  4751 days ago  ·  link  ·  
>The indispensable part of what NYT, Boston Globe, LAT, et. al do is put capable correspondents who are well connected in a lot of places around the world.

My thoughts too. The hard part, the money part is putting people on the ground, in Iraq, in Syria.

The thing about news outlets is the problem with a business model highly widespread around the internet right now: advertising. It's problematic, I feel, because as soon as the company decides your content doesn't suit their interests or they don't want to be associated with you, they'll cut your income. That model stops innovation and encourages sameness, uniformity and mediocrity. As Chomsky says, the NYT is interested in seeling a product, the product is privileged people, just like the people who are writing the newspapers, you know, top-level decision-making people in society. You have to sell a product to a market, and the market is, of course, advertisers (that is, other businesses). Whether it is television or newspapers, or whatever, they are selling audiences. http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199710--.htm

Maybe that could change a little with the pay-for-model a0 proposed. Right now they charge $3,75 per month, which is more or less $45 per year. It's seems a reasonable price.

b_b  ·  4751 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I never thought of newspapers or TV stations as "selling audiences". That's an interesting (and correct, it seems) way to look at it. I am not just being sold products; I am the product! I feel like I'm in a Hitchcock movie. Yikes.
caio  ·  4751 days ago  ·  link  ·  
It indeed is and I'm still not sure if I understand it 100%, so follow my thinking: The Guardian sells ad space in its site. They can do this because they're a prestigious news outlet which people visit frequently, so besides their stories, they put a big ass ad to people click on. So how's that selling people and not ad space? It seems to me that ad space only becomes ad space because people were already looking at it. As Asa Dotzler put it: The model works a lot like the previous era of television or newspapers. Advertisers pay content providers to include ads alongside their content. Content providers make most of their money from advertisers. Users get a "free" service. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/12/firefox_...

But what happens if users suddenly stop visiting the Guardian? Suppose the company were involved in a scandal, its reputation tarnished and the traffic slows down. Some of the advertisers might pull the ads and maybe some of those international reporters might have to come home.

So what's basically happening is big media is telling advertisers we have this huge number of people who are looking at us. If you give us money, you can stand besides us and be seen too.

alpha0  ·  4752 days ago  ·  link  ·  
"Any one can editorialize."

Exactly. What these corporations are saying is that "only if you work for us and are subject to our editorial board".