Apparently. Your quote: You'll note that my list is the Venn overlap for the subsets "things that are demonized" and "things that are completely normal." The point being: just because something is normal does not mean that it is good, that it is just, that it is something to be championed. On the other hand, you have bid "Childbirth and Education" as if they were things subject to demonization. This will be a difficult argument to make, should you attempt to do so. It seems that you wish to argue that "changing social dynamics" are "good normal" like "Childbirth and Education." However, you merely argued that "changing social dynamics" were "normal" and, as "normal" things, not subject to demonization. I hope you now see the fallacy in your argument. But hey. Let's start the kickoff with some snark, that always sets the tenor in a great spot, just like sarcasm and hyperbole.Is this 'lets be intellectually lazy' day?
I'm not sure why you would demonize someone for a phenomenon that is completely normal.
You were complaining about how certain new users are going to affect the community, and I pointed out that it's perfectly normal. We can get all convoluted about the definitions for whatever word you deem to be important to your correctness, but it won't change my initial point. Your complaints are akin to a parent lamenting that their cute little baby will someday turn into a full grown adult who is not nearly as cute. That's just how it works. Rather than complaining about a perfectly normal process, you should instead be wondering how the user and the community can both benefit from the growth. Furthermore, it seems to me that simply throwing out a list the way you did is a bit antithetical to the supposed deeper discussions this site is supposed to have.
Do you see the entitlement in your statement? You're stating that since you're new, and since new things change old things, new things are more important than old things. You're essentially arguing that since Eternal September happens, it is therefore good. You even compare yourself to a new baby and me to a cranky, ill-informed parent. The site that you're on? That you're interested in? That has qualities that attracted you in the first place? Those qualities were created by me. And if you don't think I'm entitled to protect those qualities there's very little reason for us to discuss this further.
It seems the level of discourse on this site is no better than reddit. http://memegenerator.net/instance/22144832 Or put another way, if you feel the need to tell me what my stance is, you're probably involved in a strawman.
What was that about a strawman?Is this 'lets be intellectually lazy' day?
I think the biggest disappointment in hubski for me is that it doesn't actually result in the sort of intellectually stimulating conversations I was looking for. When I came here it wasn't with the intent of being in an environment where people are nice or polite, it was to be in an environment where finding good, valuable discourse would be easier to do. Unfortunately, that requires a certain level of intellectual honesty, and I'm finding it lacking. The idea that a memegenerator link detracts from the point, for example. It doesn't, it just offends your sensibilities. But really, it's about the popularity contest that results from the way this site works. This entire conversation resulted because I pointed out to one of the most popular posters on this site that they're complaining about something that is a natural consequence of humans being social creatures. How dare I.
Nah, many a person will call Kleinbro out on shit if that's what he's giving out, me included. Problem is, in this "discussion", it wasn't the case. I've read through your responses multiple times, and if you think that's what being "intellectual" is, than I'm going to assume you're pretty young. And not on the site, either, just in terms of age. The tone you've been giving off is pretty obnoxious. You weren't just "pointing out" something, your whole tone was and continues to be needlessly "smartier than thou." Not gonna lie, if you're finding the intellectual honesty in this site lacking, than you're either not looking hard enough, or pretending it's not there. You're even using the intellectually stimulating buzzwords, but as soon as someone has a critical discussion with you, you don't like the discourse you're getting. You gotta choose! One or the other.This entire conversation resulted because I pointed out to one of the most popular posters on this site that they're complaining about something that is a natural consequence of humans being social creatures.
Intellectual honesty means being able to admit that klein's initial response to me was just lazy. Instead you've chosen to dismiss my points because you don't like the link google gave me, you think I'm young, you don't like my tone, or my choice of words. But the one thing you haven't done is responded to my point. If I tell you I think it's a circlejerk, will that get dismissed for using a term you don't like, or do you think you could be bothered to talk about what aspects this site make it appear so for someone coming from reddit? One of those is lazy, the other could actually result in something interesting. that is the problem with this site, and with the responses by both you and klein. And don't even get me started on your cherry picking my quote. The addition of the full quote vastly changes the meaning. That's honesty for you.
BUT WHAT IS YOUR POINT. WHAT ARE YOU ARGUING. All you've said is that you don't like Hubski, but the only reason you've given me are bullshit, or, I dunno, nonexistent. and you're still here. That being said, I can only argue with non-existence for so long, and Psycho Pass isn't going to watch itself, so...
wait wait I just remembered the ignore button... i almost feel awful.