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nowaypablo  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Non fiction recommendations

Sweet, let's get started:

- The Consolations of Philosophy. Again an easier read, great way to get situated and have a lasting knowledge of the basics from Plato to the present day.

- The Rebel by Albert Camus. Much meatier than Consolations, but a profound standard of philosophy and a significant necessity to every philosopher's collection.

- Plato: Jumping to the other extreme of the difficulty spectrum, for our purposes I'll consider this non-fiction because it's intended to be. Read the Dialogues, Sophists, and get associated with the Republic. At my current internship, the founder of the bank (whom I did not recognize) started talking to me about my interest in books. I mentioned philosophy and made the grave mistake of citing The Republic... I last read it in 8th grade. As luck would have it he knew everything Plato ever put on paper by heart and wiped the floor with my stuttering uncertainties and backpedaling. Dear god, if you read Plato make it count and read it well.

-Slowly but thoroughly go through essays by Nietzsche, Camus & Sartre, and other philosophers that interest you instead of trying to tackle a 1,000-page manifesto that you know you won't have the patience for.

As a sidenote that isn't directly philosophy, the last leap to confidently calling myself an atheist (at least, confidently not associating with any faith or religion) was The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins, if you're into that. And if you are, The Selfish Gene is a much smaller, great read as well.

roll the drums please, the endgame: I should probably include this on it's own, but there is a book called GEB- Godel, Escher, Bach- that is the only book I have ever tackled that I had to drop because I just wasn't ready for it yet. However, I've been told by a select handful of the most intelligent and successful people I've met that that is one of the most significant intellectual texts in recent times. I honestly can't say much more because I just don't know enough to say-- but according to the bigshots, this is the motherload. By the way, I'm curious kleinbl00 if you have read or heard of this book.. I feel like it would tickle your fancy; tickle it with an electric cattle prod, that is.





kleinbl00  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  
user-inactivated  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The Selfish Gene isn't about atheism and it's only a tad shorter than The God Delusion while being much more complicated. It's an excellent book, but it's also worth nothing that a lot has changed since it came out and many prominent biologists have significant issues with various sections. If it's the only evolution book you read you'll be left with a wanting understanding of the (ever-changing) discipline.

I'm in the midst of Godel, Escher, Bach. Boy. Don't start with that. Read it, but not first.

Kaius  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I bought GEB and have read the first chapter or 2 but i was not prepared for it to be as complex as it is.

I need to restart it from the beginning.

beezneez  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On that account I would recommend The Selfish Meme: A critical reassessment if you are at all interested in contemporary extensions of meme theory.

user-inactivated  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Thanks, I've had my eye on that book for a while. Will do.

beezneez  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Her later work on Cultural Evolution has a bit of a twist. In it she rejects the term 'meme' in favor of the title, partly due to the mass adaption of the term between her writing. She's an independent scholar, and clearly well respected enough to be published with Cambridge.

nowaypablo  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Poor phrasing on my part, I didn't mean to imply Selfish Gene was about atheism. I was also unaware of its obsolete-ness, I was offering a path to take if the god delusion was of interest to him.

You've read GEB? thoughts?

user-inactivated  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not obsolete, more foundational and representative of one viewpoint out of several. I'm not qualified particularly to say more.

I am enjoying Godel, Escher, Bach in the extreme but I haven't reached the parts that are supposedly more troublesome. I haven't taken any math in some time so I'll probably attempt to draw big picture conclusions more than follow individual arguments. We'll see.

I challenged myself on hubski a month or so ago to read 30 books this summer and I'm at 26. I imagine I'll get closer to 50. Will make a big post at the end with suggestions and so on.

nowaypablo  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

jesus. Do you enjoy/retain those books? I read fairly slowly, I guess you could call it leisurely, but when I'm assigned a book at school or have a deadline to read it, I'm paralyzed and can't do it at all- certainly not while enjoying it at the same time.

user-inactivated  ·  3807 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, sure. Compartmentalized recall. It goes without saying that I enjoy them, it's free knowledge. I don't understand why the source of a book has to do with your enjoyment of it, but that seems to be a pretty common phenomenon with school books.

Kaius  ·  3771 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Old post but can you tell me more aboit this compartmentalized recall? Google is not finding any concrete articles on it.

user-inactivated  ·  3771 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not aware that it's a term per se. I meant it literally.

I've read around 45 books so far this summer and I couldn't sit here and name them all but if you named the title of one I could give you the plot, the characters or events, what I thought about it, etc. To me that counts as retention, because your memory is rarely going to be tested in the former fashion.

Kaius  ·  3771 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right that makes sense, associative memory.