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comment by doommaggot

Agnostic as commonly used means atheist who doesn't want to be called an atheist because of what people think of the name.

Agnostic what? Deist, atheist, Christian, something else? If you don't mind telling.





mk  ·  3692 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Non-religious is probably most correct. People use the terms in different ways. Atheist strictly means not having a theology, but it is commonly associated with a belief that a god doesn't exist. That's why I often say agnostic. Many people understand it as a lack of belief one way or another.

user-inactivated  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's possible just to be agnostic without a modifier at the end. I use it as a way to avoid the question. Smarter people than me have thought about God, and they can't decide on it. I see no reason to believe something one way or the other.

doommaggot  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No it isn't. The set {theist, atheist} is covering, so you have to be one or the other. Avoiding the question is fine though. It's a topic that often leads to pointless arguing. (Often of semantics, like I'm doing now ;)

user-inactivated  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The definition of agnostic is completely pointless. If someone was a theist or atheist, that would be what they would call themselves. If you go to the trouble of calling yourself an agnostic, you mean to say "I don't know one way or the other."

doommaggot  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not pointless, just answering a different question. An agnostic atheist would say "I don't know one way or the other, but I don't believe in a god". An agnostic Christian would say "I don't know one way or the other, but I believe in Jesus". Versus gnostic atheist you would say "I know for certain that exactly zero gods exist", or gnostic Deist who would say "I know for certain that one or more gods exist"

user-inactivated  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hold up: according to Google (and my mind), an agnostic is "a person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God or of anything beyond material phenomena; a person who claims neither faith nor disbelief in God." As far as I am aware, it isn't a qualifier. It's a section unto itself, like atheist or theist.

doommaggot  ·  3693 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's one of those terms where the definition is very muddied. Certainly a lot of people use the term that way. That definition comes from an incorrect definition of atheist, which is incorrectly labelled as disbelief, when it is actually lack of belief. While similar, they are distinct.

Take the case of a 2 day old baby. It isn't capable of comprehending the idea of a god in order to have disbelief. You can safely say that it lacks belief in a god though.