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Grendel  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Men's contraceptive pills are coming.

According to a 2004 poll of 5000 women, "42% would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, no matter the wishes of their partner." Link

Forty-two percent is less than half, so you're technically correct - the majority of women wouldn't have an issue with the male pill; but the fact that 4 out of 10 women have admitted that they would lie about something like this means that I wasn't wrong, either.





nrthndr  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Second of all, this isn't /r/theredpill

Is a single article with no citation and no methods what qualifies for evidence these days?

Grendel  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh no, the article was discussed on a subreddit that you don't like, therefore it's not valid evidence! Come back when you have a decent argument, please. The original poll was created by "That's Life!" - a magazine aimed at girls, but obviously run by evil anti-feminists.

nrthndr  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Dude, it's a poorly documented survey from 2004. The only people who've picked up on it are /r/MensRights and /r/theredpill.

If that's all you need to be certain of your views, you should find another place to peddle them. Hubski isn't so gullible.

Grendel  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So, what's your problem with that poll, other than it's been ignored by feminist websites? (I wonder why.)

nrthndr  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It doesn't report its methods, it doesn't document decoy questions ("What planet are you on?"), it doesn't report the response rate ("We questioned 5,000 women, 10 responded"), it's questions are biased ("Have you cheated on" vs. "Have you been cheated on"), it hasn't been replicated, the magazine's content is on level with bigfoot chasers, it's a magazine.

I've already put more effort into disqualifying your study as you have in defending it. Why should I trust a survey from more than a decade ago whose credibility is somewhere a few orders of magnitude below Cosmo?

    other than it's been ignored by feminist websites?

a.k.a. almost everywhere else on the internet.

P. S. Troll harder.

Grendel  ·  3450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    it doesn't document decoy questions ("What planet are you on?")

That seems irrelevant.

    it doesn't report the response rate ("We questioned 5,000 women, 10 responded")

That seems unlikely.

    it's questions are biased ("Have you cheated on" vs. "Have you been cheated on")

Explain how they're biased.

    it hasn't been replicated

It's not a quantum physics experiment, it's a simple poll.

    the magazine's content is on level with bigfoot chasers, it's a magazine.

So what? It's no worse than the average newspaper.

You're just throwing mud at me and hoping that some of it will stick. Also you have no idea what a troll is. Protip: troll =/= person who disagrees with you. Lurk more.

paxprose  ·  3451 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Because we have no way of judging the bias of the poll takers or if they're even taking an adequate sample of an opinion. You can't even argue that 5,000 women took that poll. What if a man (or a large number of them) took the poll? What if a single developer troll took the poll with the sole intent of if swaying the data 5000 times? Did the analysis at That's Life! take into consideration possible corruption of their data, what steps did they take to prevent it? We don't know, we have to take the poll taker's evidence as unbiased and true. This is inherently unscientific. The output of the poll is not validated or cross referenced with any other credible studies in the article aside from hear-say from other online polls. The poll should be ignored by feminists, and non-feminsts alike due to the fact it is not rationally persuasive in the context provided by The Scotsman.

Grendel  ·  3450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It's not meant to be a scientific poll, and the concerns you raise seem overblown to me.

_refugee_  ·  3450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If it's not meant to be a scientific poll then it makes a very poor case for us to accept it as valid evidence. End of discussion.

Grendel  ·  3450 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Given that I've already shown how that's irrelevant, yeah, I'd say the discussion has reached a dead point.