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SadPandaIsSad  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Judge. Discriminate. Be Discerning.

I would like to start out by saying that I have no problem with transgender peoples and I do think that it takes a lot to do something like this especially as a famous person. While I don't agree with this guys take on masculinity as an empire and half of the other points he makes (aside from the fact that politically correct is out of control and I still don't agree with all of what he has to say about that) I do agree that a veteran deserves the award more than someone who chose have surgery to make them self more comfortable.

No surprise everyone jumped on board with the masses on this one. Everyone is automatically a bigot for anything that takes away from one minority group to give to another person even if it is more deserving. Putting your life on the line for your country is so far above having an elective surgery to change your sex when we all knew the media was going to applaud her for doing it because we are all about tolerance now which is all good and well. But it doesn't deserve an award. As a matter of fact, the only reason Caitlin Jenner received the award is because she is famous. There are thousands of people who have done the same thing and received much less support than she did and is. I know it's a big step in transgendered being accepted but you don't give someone an award to progress a movement. You give someone an award for doing something great. You certainly don't do it for a media sensation which is what this is.

Again I'm sure people are going to hate on this simply because it's a transgender issue. Go ahead. The point of forums like this is to learn and express different viewpoints. Bigots fighting bigotry may now commence their hate.





coffeesp00ns  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

First I'll address the fact that the whole article calls Jenner a man, which is bullshit. The American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association, as well as the vast majority of the medical communities in the developed world all agree - Trans women are women, and trans men are men. Just because you don't understand the research doesn't mean it is somehow false impossible - Just like even though you don't understand astrophysics doesn't mean that getting a man-made object to pluto is impossible.

Trans women are women, trans men are men - Shit ain't complicated.

moving on from that -

I don't think Jenner deserves the award - But I don't think that the soldier in the meme image deserves it either. Terminal Lance made a great comment on the subject:

My brother's a vet. He did a job, he went overseas, lost some friends, gained some psychological trauma, and got paid. When he returned home Like any government employee, he received (and continues to receive) medical care - surgery number 4 on an ankle the army fucked up - as well as psychological help. He's not a hero, he's just a guy who got paid good money to go into a dangerous work environment. The way I see it, benefits for soldiers are just a dedicated wing of WSIB

Where I'm from, we respect veterans, and honour them - they are given extra respect, seen as members of standing in their communities, and often drink for free - But we do not idolize them, like you folks seem to in the US. I always found that odd considering the number of veterans on the street in America. I see the US treatment of vets much like the way the Viennese treated Mozart - Generous with their applause, stingy with their wallets.

More than anything, that's what bothered me about this article - more Hoorah USMC to the detriment of all others, all the while conveniently glossing over the fact that the vast majority that the US public does for their service people is thank them for their service and spit in their hands as payment.

masculineempire  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

trans-women don't have ovaries. trans-men can't make sperm. adding or removing a hole, and taking hormones, doesn't change your sex.

being trans is actually a mental disorder and 40% of all trans have attempted suicide http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/28/local/la-me-ln-suicide-attempts-alarming-transgender-20140127

coffeesp00ns  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not going to even get started about how poorly-informed you are about the subject, mostly because a.) you've already made up your mind about how correct you are, and b.) I don't have to justify my existence to anyone.

I'll just leave this here, from the American Psychiatric Association, and point out a specific response from page 3:

    Is being transgender a mental disorder?

    A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures, and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression, or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

Emphases mine to point out specifically how incorrect you are.

If you're actually interested in learning more about trans people, what it means to be trans, and how to treat trans people with respect, then let me know. Otherwise, I think we're done here.

arguewithatree  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

hey friend. don't feed the troll. this is a self-promoing account.

coffeesp00ns  ·  3456 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I know, you're right. I'm more fighting the argument than I am the person.

arguewithatree  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  

100% understand. It's why I'm weak to b8 as well

arguewithatree  ·  3455 days ago  ·  link  ·  
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