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_refugee_  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Are you scared to post?

Aw look we killed somebody





kleinbl00  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Naah. when your username is literally the output of a password generator you don't have stakes in your identity. He'll be back.

is_fuck_you_klein  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I registered this name because I didn't get a chance to say my piece directly, and I should so that I'm not purposefully misconstrued by @kleinbl00.

First of all: really Klein, I left because you're being a dick. I get it, you have a bunch of grievances, but I simply do not know where you get off writing to me like I'm responsible for them. My advice is, you should really stop taking out whatever frustrations you have on random people on the internet.

Now, after several rounds of explaining that I'm not pro-doxing, you're still on this train like I'm the guy who started crank calling your wife. The only reason I can figure out why is because I'm pointing out that "doxing" as it is talked about on Reddit is bullshit. I don't know if you've taken a look around, but a god awful lot of people who make a stink about "doxing" are people who should not only be doxed but should expect federal warrants for facilitating harassment and stalking. Not for minor pranks, mind you, but organizing the transmission of rape and death threats by people who are morally depraved enough to actually do such a thing.

So maybe, just maybe, things are a bit more complicated than this wonderfully nebulous word "doxing." Maybe, in fact, we should stop trying to use cutesypoo neologisms for crimes which have been on the books for a while now (but which have been laxly enforced).

About "identity": as I've told you directly and explicitly, I picked a random character string because registering here came right after my unencrypted insurance information was stolen. Gee, does this give a little perspective?

Finally, no I don't put a lot of investment in my online identity. Nor do I stake much in my membership to this site, or the internet in whole or in any part.

I do put a great deal of investment in not staying in places where people feel entitled to being dicks --the way you have been both in this thread and elsewhere.

TL;DR: Left Reddit because of so many dicks; left Hubski because of one very particularly prickish dick; lesson learned, no forum is worth any amount of dickery.

crafty  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No one cares if you get "misconstrued," you deleted your posts and your account, clearly you didn't have much conviction behind what you were saying in the first place. If you can't take K's prickly style of commenting without getting your panties twisted, that's not his problem. Accept the fact that your perspective is not the end all be all of reality and move on. Maybe you might even learn something, but that could be a step beyond you.

    people who make a stink about "doxing" are people who should not only be doxed but should expect federal warrants for facilitating harassment and stalking

That is the dumb sentence that keeps tumbling out of your mouth over and over. If you're harassing, stalking, making bomb threats, death threats, rape threats, that's wrong and should be dealt with accordingly by the legal system. If you're complaining (making a "stink") about people harassing, stalking, making threats, etc. and so on, ("doxxing") you do not deserve a federal warrant for facilitating harassment and stalking. That is dumb. And stupid.

By the way, if you want to leave a forum, the first step is not to come back and argue your beef on said forum. Just a suggestion, since you seem pretty dick averse.

    I return to the quagmire of the world's unenlightened anti-intellectual untermenschen.

Sounds like you're going back to where you belong, and with usernames like is_fuck_you_klein and no_really_fuck_you, I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms.

kleinbl00  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

(called it!)

There are a number of ironies in your post. The first of which is I was all set to try (once again) to bring things back to the parts that matter but then you deleted your posts. So the substantive discussion we were going to have is now an ad-hominem hissy fit.

The next of which is the Chimpire you were raging against earlier is literally the circlejerkers. Those people you think are the worst people in the world? Literally the ones trying to dox me. Exact same people. So I could have gone on for quite a while about that - I made my peace with them and them with me. Not saying they're great folx - they're "shock racists" in that they care far more about getting a rise out of people than they do about any real racist agenda. They're consummate trolls. They use their anonymity as a weapon.

Much like you're doing - there's the third irony. You wouldn't have included my name in your throwaway handle if you didn't think I cared about my persona. By demonstrating you don't, you exercise the power of anonymity over me. This is the dynamic behind doxing, and why calling it a neologism seven times doesn't negate the fact that when anonymity is a spectrum, those with more can leverage those with less (much like you're doing). There have been books written about this - I'm fond of Sherry Turkle's - that draw attention to our new associations with identity as a society and what it means psychologically and socially. So huffing and puffing and talking about crime misses the point - someone with stakes in their identity is at an advantage socially over someone with no stakes because they have trust, affinity, notoriety, familiarity, what-have-you but at a disadvantage argumentatively because the anonymous can use slander and harassment unimpeded due to having literally nothing to lose.

That is the dynamic behind "doxing", which isn't actually nebulous. It's the act of destroying anonymity as a punitive measure. You're right - there's nothing new under the sun and anonymity mismatch has been used as a weapon dating back to Abrahamic times but the way we use it on the Internet is something that the criminal justice system (and society in general) has not yet caught up with.

Acting dismissive about it because you don't like the term does not advance our knowledge.

Unlike yours, my comments still stand. Nowhere did I suggest that you were pro-doxing. In fact, I stated four times that my only problem was with your victim-blaming. It seems to come from an ill-informed place of theory, rather than experience. And even now, you can't help but bring things back around to

    a god awful lot of people who make a stink about "doxing" are people who should not only be doxed but should expect federal warrants for facilitating harassment and stalking.

In other words, bad people. Bad people who deserve what they get. Bad people without specifics, of course. Anecdotes are not data, but they're closer to the truth than baseless allegations. And since this is a subject where scientific data is essentially nonexistent, anecdotes are better than nothing.

IE, what you got.

The biggest irony is you chose to use two anonymous identities to throw a hissy fit about the undesirability of anonymity on a forum whose basis is interpersonal relationships and social connections. As such, I can't say you'll be missed.

Sorry Blue Cross didn't hash your data. They didn't hash mine either. Neither did Target, neither did Home Depot, neither did Visa. By my count I've got three different identity protection services right now and that's only because I declined two. Don't for a minute, however, think that insurance leaks have the first fucking thing to do with doxing. That you'd conflate the two illustrates the willfulness of your ignorance.

C-Ya.

user-inactivated  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

baw gawd klein that man has a family you gotta stawp

no_really_fuck_you  ·  3380 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I went ad hominem because the problem here has been you and the shitty way you acted.

Would you prefer me to blame Ohanian for you being a dick? Fine, I blame Ohanian for the fact that you feel compelled to act like a dick. It still doesn't change that you are being a dick.

Seriously, you came in, derailed a whole conversation that had nothing to do with you (that was fine with just about everyone else, even where there were disagreements) and out of pure ego decided to engage in some primal scream therapy about your ordeal (which had no bearing on the discussion) and proceeded to turn me (who has nothing to do with any of your psychodramas on Reddit) into your proxy for Ohanian, Russian script kiddies, and your 3rd grade gym teacher.

So: Uncle. You win. I bow to your clearly superior intellect and your ambitious plan to make this place just as shitty as Reddit but with NO DOX. May the priapism of your justice boner endure, and may it earn over 9,000 upboats like a boss from Hubski's off-brand bacon narwhal, kind gentlesir. I return to the quagmire of the world's unenlightened anti-intellectual untermenschen.