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b_b  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Taylor Swift Is Dreaming Of A Very White Africa

    We are shocked to think that in 2015, Taylor Swift, her record label and her video production group would think it was OK to film a video that presents a glamorous version of the white colonial fantasy of Africa

What's the alternative, if we're already romanticizing colonialism? Portray some natives as porters and guides? Servants? If you're going to do a colonial video, it's probably less racist to leave the natives out, because that could only add insult to injury.





Meriadoc  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're right. But in that situation, it might be worse, because that means they have the awareness that it's pretty racist and wrong to romanticize colonialism, but go through with it anyway.

fenom  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the alternative is to not make a video about the colonial era at all.

Killerhurtz  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

But that would be censorship. Sometimes to make a point you need to make things that may seem wrong. Showcasing things that we aren't proud of reminds us that things weren't always ideal, and that it DID infact happen.

doommaggot  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There's a difference between censorship and choosing not to do something because it's a stupid idea.

Killerhurtz  ·  3393 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And there's a difference between a stupid idea and an idea you disagree with. Personally I don't see it as a bad idea.

fenom  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure, that's fine, but should Taylor Swift be making that kind of statement?

Stuff like this needs to be treated really delicately. It's hard to do that in pop music. I haven't seen the video yet, but if the idea is just that it's a love story, why set it in that period at all?

tacocat  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

She's not really making a statement. It's just blithely presenting an image at odds with reality and that's kinda the problem.

Killerhurtz  ·  3393 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See, that's where I disagree. Doing things delicately doesn't upset people. It allows them to stay passive. She has a listener base - an audience. It's a perfect platform to do such statements because of how far it reaches. Or are you saying that artists (even pop musicians) should just passively do songs about whatever just to avoid upsetting people?

fenom  ·  3393 days ago  ·  link  ·  

See tacocat's response to me.

Im saying that, if she were to try to make a statement, she should put some thought into it. But she isnt doing that. She's just throwing this romanticized and totally out-of-touch image out there. Hence my first reply where I said she just shouldn't have done it.

user-inactivated  ·  3395 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    What's the alternative

    If you're going to do a colonial video

Or don't

b_b  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Sure. I was kind of being flip, because I think the critique that the video is too white is a bit off. I completely agree that the real problem is that the video was made at all. I assume that she and whoever wrote and directed the just kind of thought that it was pretty and that's where it ends. I doubt they put much more thought into it than that. Which kind of makes sense in this day and age. We seem to be at a point in our culture where money is really the king, and we can worship it in whatever superficial way we want. This video seems like an expression of that sentiment more than anything. What better way to express ignorance of the less fortunate than to trivialize the most down trodden people on earth?

user-inactivated  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's where a lot of people fuck up. It's why they get so defensive when somebody points these things out. Nobody really means it, they're just duuuuumb lol

b_b  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm not giving anyone a pass for being dumb, so I hope you didn't read it that way. Willful ignorance might be less of a crime than blatant racism, but it's still a shameful thing to do. Anyway it's not up to the video's creators to decide if it's offensive; it's up to the people watching it. It is, however, up to the creators to decide if they want to learn from what others find offensive about it or not. We'll see, but I wouldn't bet my paycheck on it.

user-inactivated  ·  3394 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I hope you didn't read it that way

nah, of course not bruh. It just is what it is, haha. It's why I've had to filter a lot of these types of instances into the "lol, fuckin of course" part of my brain because it gets tiring. I think I'm just ambivalent at this point, is what I'm getting at.