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blackbootz  ·  3310 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: "Hillary Clinton For The Democratic Nomination" - NYTimes Editorial Board

    Hillary Clinton is what you get when a legit conspiracy spends billions of dollars spreading the slander...

You know, I think it's illuminating to point to the Republican maelstrom that has been the environment that Hillary came of age politically. It's easy to be the perfect embodiment of liberal ideals if we live in a socialist Nordic utopia... It's decidedly more difficult if you try to campaign in a country where there is only one non-religious member of Congress, where 41% of Americans believe that Jesus Christ definitely (23%) or probably (18%) will return to Earth by the year 2050, and 30% of polled Republicans believe that we should bomb Agrabah, the fictional home city of Alladin. And Hillary can't come out and say it, but some non-zero amount of her political posturing is simply because she doesn't just how much she has to dumb things down to not scare the bejesus out of a striking proportion of the population.

Bill Burr "has been bitching about the population problem for three specials now." (And by the way, I am being completely facetious linking to Bill Burr. I don't think it's wise or feasible or in the slightest way moral to eliminate 85% of the population... but the man is funny.)





kleinbl00  ·  3310 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Gene Lyons and Joe Conason start The Hunting of the President with a chapter called "The Ghost of Lee Atwater." Apparently one of the last edicts issued by the man before he died of a brain tumor was that the upstart governor of Arkansas needed to be taken out before he amounted to anything or he'd be the number one thorn in the side of the conservative establishment as long as he lived. That was '91.

    Hillary Clinton: "Well, I don't know if I've been that dramatic. That would sound like a good line from a movie. But I do believe that this is a battle. I mean, look at the very people who are involved in this — they have popped up in other settings. This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president."

The Today Show, January 27 1998, to Matt Lauer

They made a lot of hay with that. It took about six years for David Brock to admit that he was a high-ranking lieutenant in that very same vast right wing conspiracy. He wrote Blinded by the Right and formed Media Matters for America. Richard Mellon Scaife alone spent $2m on Troopergate.

The Republicans have been trying to "burn the witch" for 40 years now. Yet when Hillary mentions this, she's painted as a whiner. Is she as liberal as I'd like? Nope. But goddamn she's a survivor. People forget that Jimmy Carter ran as an outsider. Know what sucks about outsiders? They have no connections and can't get anything done.

Given a chance, I'll vote for Sanders in a primary. Not that anyone has ever given a shit about the Washington primaries. Of course, I voted for GWB in the 2000 primaries for the simple reason that I figured McCain was the only credible candidate so...

user-inactivated  ·  3310 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    People forget that Jimmy Carter ran as an outsider. Know what sucks about outsiders? They have no connections and can't get anything done.

Bringing Carter into this discussion is apt. Carter did this when the Southern Strategy was at its most effective. Sure, Nixon imploding helped him out, but he was also very popular, and his loosing in 1980 had as much to do with Ted Kennedy attacking him from the left in the primaries as with Reagan. Sure, no one knew how bad Reagan was going to turn out, but Carter might well have realigned the South if he had held on. I wonder if that's what Atwater was thinking of when he named Clinton a threat.

kleinbl00  ·  3310 days ago  ·  link  ·  

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Before Clinton so much as investigated running for President, Atwater had already started a campaign to defeat him as governor so that Bush wouldn't have to deal with him in '92. Atwater stated publicly that the Democrats' only chance of retaking the presidency was a fiscally-conservative southern democrat and the only one of any merit was Clinton.