a thoughtful web.
Good ideas and conversation. No ads, no tracking.   Login or Take a Tour!
comment by veen
veen  ·  3059 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Tesla driver killed in crash with Autopilot active, NHTSA investigating

It totally sucks. Teslas use a long-range radar which -under normal circumstances- should've detected the vehicle, but my educated guess is that the truck was just too high above ground for the radar to catch it. It also has an infrared camera but that is not meant for long distances.

Ironically / incidentally, the guy who got killed posted a video of Autopilot saving him in April, which Musk retweeted.





goobster  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Musk said that the radar saw the trailer, but the height off the road made it interpret the shape as an overhead road sign (like you see on freeways) and not a vehicle in the path of the car.

WanderingEng  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That seems so odd. I can imagine a single frame image of a high trailer looking similar to a single frame image of an overhead sign. But given the distance to an object, as the car moves forward it seems like it should be easy to tell the difference between an object 1.5 meters off the ground and one 15 meters off the ground.

goobster  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think all us computer geeks are scratching our heads over that description of the Teslas' vision system. It seems... nearsighted, dare I say.

In a single still frame I could see the system getting confused. But as soon as you take in the relative motion of the object in question, and that the gap between the object and road is not increasing, it seems like warning bells would be going off.

And... think about the accident... the first thing to touch the truck was the windshield. The top (and guy's head) just got sheared off by the truck bed, like a knife. I wonder how long the car continued past the accident scene...

Oof. Frightening.

snoodog  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Shitty US safety standards not requiring standard bumper height for all cars trucks and trailers is the real problem

user-inactivated  ·  3058 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You're right that bumper laws could be better, but in this instance, they wouldn't have helped. It was a cross traffic collision. The Tesla t-boned the trailer, not rear ended it.

goobster  ·  3054 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, except the Tesla hit the trailer from the side. The semi truck was stopped across the roadway. Bumpers are front and back... not on the sides of semi trailers.

user-inactivated  ·  3057 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wonder if it was something like this:

Those things freak me out when I pass them, the bottom of the drive train is about eye level.

goobster  ·  3054 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This kind of accident, but with a flatbed trailer instead of a box trailer:

goobster  ·  3054 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My understanding is that a flatbed tractor-trailer was stopped across the road. So the Tesla system basically saw this from the side:

user-inactivated  ·  3054 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That makes a lot more sense, and I kinda got the feel that I was wrong when I started digging in a bit. Still sucks for everyone, though. 300 or so people a month are killed in accidents involving tractor trailer trucks, but this one accident because the nature of it is slightly different, will get the media hook.

BTW, I saw that the drive was did not have his hands on the wheel at the time of the accident and may have been watching a movie on a portable DVD player. Which makes me thing he was way overconfident in the tech.

goobster  ·  3054 days ago  ·  link  ·  

His YouTube channel was nothing but examples of him showing off how good the autopilot was.