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ButterflyEffect  ·  849 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: ‘Kind of Wild/Creative’: Emails Shed Light on Trump Fake Electors Plan

We are so fortunate that most people involved with this were totally incompetent grifters.





kleinbl00  ·  848 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I've come around to the conclusion that the incompetence was the core motivating force, not a fortunate quirk. If Trump was better at the game he would have played it earlier, built up alliances, built up history, learned to play a political game. He would have had a rolodex full of competent people to do competent things and barter with other competent people. Instead, Trump's competence was in an entirely separate field: "When you're a star they let you do it."

Call it a Kardashian presidency. The animating energy was pure star power, for star power's sake, driven entirely by starfuckers practicing starfuckery. I don't care what you think of Chris Christie, he's not going to get his son-in-law to go on Facebook and ask around for COVID policy. "Fake it 'til you make it," however, has been Trump's guide star since he was sent to military school as a troubled kid. "Appear competent" has been more valuable to him than "be competent" since he was a teenager.

That the grifters seized power says more about the health of the Republican Party than it does about anything else. That, I believe, is where Trump saw opportunity. He was able to push over the entire power structure and bend it to his will, so why the fuck would he stop with one lost election? Those 187 minutes are the timeline between Trump taking his best shot and Trump realizing it wasn't enough. Everything since has been Trump probing for weakness and opportunity.

In an editorial in January 2016, David Leonhardt observed that many of the rules we think govern the country are actually customs, and that Trump became president by ignoring those customs. His entire presidential reign was about testing the strength of those customs. I've come to recognize January 6 as a vaccine - a brutal one, but a successful one. The live virus made us sick but it awoke the antibodies most of us thought we didn't need. I'm sure you can quote me agreeing with you - Somewhere I have an article entitled "our next demagogue will not be incompetent" or something. But Trump has proven that you have to succeed within the customs if you want to take it all the way. Trump has demonstrated the depth and breadth of those customs and unless they're changed, no one will ever be able to take it as far ever again.

am_Unition  ·  849 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree that most minions were of little help except as worker bees, but some, like Eastman, Dershowitz (for impeachment #1), Flynn, Kash Patel, Mike Pillow, Giuliani (only kinda), and many others are pretty high-ups, mostly developing “legal” arguments (quotes ‘cuz there were none, so lip-sticking a pig, basically) while also PR'ing, and coordinating overall plans. Quick aside: I hope we get a Curb episode re-enacting when Larry David confronted Dershowitz at Martha’s Vineyard.

edit: Trump also seems to have had at least one SCOTUSboi and wife on his roster for J6 plans. In addition to e.g. my senator, amongst many other GOP legislators.

Honestly though, I doubt I could have done any better, even if I vigorously studied constitutional law, because ultimately any coup plans would have to hinge around actions that are obviously illegal and against the spirit of the constitution. Sadly, as we have seen time and time again with Trump, a disregard of legal constraints gives the lawbreakers some serious leverage if the laws aren’t enforced.

I think Congress should pass laws designed to more explicitly protect our elections, but perhaps mostly to keep all of this in the public eye, because, clearly, it wasn’t the illegality that was bothersome to the coup plotters. After all, if a coup of the executive is successful, the ability to enforce the law against the coup'ers is irrelevant. obvz

kleinbl00  ·  848 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Eastman Dershowitz Flynn Kash Patel and Mike Pillow only got access to the White House because they were on TV and the president was a TV addict. Larry Kudlow, FFS, was on Leeza Gibbons' show with Jim Cramer. Then he was on Kudlow & Kramer until it became clear that he was a drag on Jim Cramer of all people, then he was his own lame show that nobody watched, then he was on his other own lame show that nobody watched, then the Republicans declined to run him for any sort of office, then all of a sudden holy shit he's the director of the National Economic Council because he had been on television. Much like Dershowitz, who has been an ambulance-chasing gloryhound for 30 years.

    Honestly though, I doubt I could have done any better, even if I vigorously studied constitutional law, because ultimately any coup plans would have to hinge around actions that are obviously illegal and against the spirit of the constitution. Sadly, as we have seen time and time again with Trump, a disregard of legal constraints gives the lawbreakers some serious leverage if the laws aren’t enforced.

We've had this discussion before, and we'll doubtless have it again: If thee or me were to overthrow the government, we'd have a 30-point plan of attack backed up by 30 other players with 30-point plans and we'd have debated every contingency and assessed the probability. Trump? Trump has been at "I think I can do it therefore I can do it unless I can't" since he was a boy. Since he's failed up every time there's no reason not to try. I could tell you stories from the Apprentice where Trump would try things like "the crew doesn't actually need any space at the club for their gear and craft service despite the fact that they asked for it" that works with some crews and not with others. The crews it doesn't work with don't get invited back? But they also get crafty. Trump's entire history is one of people who won't be abused being replaced by people who will, of people who can do the calculus being replaced by those who can't.

b_b  ·  848 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    I could tell you stories from the Apprentice where Trump would...

FFS you can't dangle that and then not deliver deets!