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StephenBuckley  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Brian Leiter, “Why Tolerate Religion?”

Blindly rational folks could do with a bit of religion, as well.

Besides, this book doesn't mind if there are reasons to be good and moral. It's not about whether religion is worth it or not. It's about the legal standing of non-religious beliefs.

And what is your rationale that it's better to trust yourself over others? If you know you've met someone smarter than yourself, isn't the most rational thing to do to accept what they say as correct?





Tarla  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No. That would be accepting an argument from authority rather than proof.

StephenBuckley  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Right. But where do you get the idea that it's better to have proof than accept an argument from authority? If you know someone is more intelligent than you and less likely to make mistakes, I don't know if there's a rational reason to not take their arguments at face value.

Tarla  ·  4367 days ago  ·  link  ·  

They only need to be wrong this one time to mess me up. Why do you think that accepting the word of someone that you think is smarter than you is a form of evidence? It's not. Evidence is evidence. Richard Feinman could tell me that the moon's a balloon just to play with my head. Geniuses are quirky that way.

StephenBuckley  ·  4367 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Feynman told you that matter can and does exist in all of its possible positions simultaneously, and you believed it.

I don't mean to offend you, but I highly doubt that you have studied physics to the point where you could prove his findings to yourself mathematically, and I also doubt that you have the equipment and wherewithal to reproduce the experiment.

So you have no evidence that Feynman is correct besides a lot of other, more knowledgeable people in the same field telling you that he's correct.

Beginning to sound less and less like reason!

briandmyers  ·  4367 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Feynman does not argue from authority. People may trust him as an authority, and I certainly do, but the point is that his peers do not.

StephenBuckley  ·  4367 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm. Sounds an awful lot like

    following someone else's thinking without question
to me. But, hey, if you say that it's reason then I guess you just need a new definition of religion.
briandmyers  ·  4367 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I didn't say it was reason. I said Feynman does not argue from authority.

user-inactivated  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Authority =! more intelligent. Clear logical fallacy in your post.

StephenBuckley  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

What? Maybe I'm not phrasing this well enough.

Here's what I'm asking: There is someone whom you know, empirically, or through whatever means you find convincing, is smarter than you. That someone is also less likely to make mistakes than you. Why would you trust yourself over that person rationally?

briandmyers  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Why would you trust yourself over that person rationally?

Because I know my own motivations, and I do not know theirs.

user-inactivated  ·  4368 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You seemed to me to be equating authority and intelligence unnecessarily. My bad.