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jesse9212  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Gun Control-Alex Jones vs. Piers Morgan

    If so, should second-graders pack pistols in their schoolbags?
I don't think any source that uses this type of statement should be taken seriously, let alone to create a balanced view of the situation. It's almost completely irrelevant, I've never heard anyone credible even come close to arguing with a statement like that and I would have the same opinion of them as I do anyways who uses it as a "legitimate" counter-argument. I'm really not trying to be offensive towards you when I say that - it's a realistic reaction in my opinion.

What would you say about the point made about the drug war in Mexico? Tens of thousands dead - a helpless population; not to mention the fact that a the vast number of American gun deaths are directly manifested from the same drug war. Look at the death rates by guns from the era of alcohol prohibition. A gun ban then wouldn't have solved any problems then either since the root of the issues surrounding them had nothing to do with the guns themselves.

Also, just touching on your point of "corporate interest", I find it hard to believe that ten of millions of people are conspiring to "save an industry" and I find that type of logic to degrade your only real argument that guns kill people easily: so ban them.





shoe77  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·  

More guns will definitely do little to help the situation. We have to agree on that? I think people are starting to get fed up with Gun advocates not admitting a clear problem e.g. NRA supporting armed soldiers in school. However, it does get annoying when anti-gun people start to be over-sensitive or suddenly start blaming situations solely on guns. The "second grader" argument is definitely not sound. They call that reductio ad absurdum. The mexican drug war and prohibition cannot be used to negate the efficacy in a gun ban; having guns or not having guns do not change the situation, and those should be dealt by with the police. The problems with guns are what we see right now: reckless mass shootings and gang violence as a result of easy access of guns,even the very potent ones. advancedapes brings up some good points regarding the constitution and current countries that have low gun violence. There definitely needs to be more conversation toward progress. We shouldn't seek to ban guns, but at least make efforts toward better regulation. I think that's where the debate needs to go in order for progress and change to be made. It's irresponsible to not see something wrong with the influx of mass shootings and the danger of guns in the hands of the often irrational(humans).

jesse9212  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    guns in the hands of the often irrational(humans)
Like Alex mentions in the video, there is no mention of the hardcore drugs these people were on. I've not heard one reporter ask a question even related to this other than inserting "there needs to be more done for mental health". If you look at average amount of people that die in the US every day from guns it's still higher than any of these so called "mass shootings". 115,000 (whatever number he cites) that die from medical malpractise is a real issue worth working on far before gun control.

    The mexican drug war and prohibition cannot be used to negate the efficacy in a gun ban;
So you're saying more than 57,000 people would have died if the Mexican people were allowed to defend themselves?
shoe77  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think adding more guns to the drug war would help. If anything, more deaths may occur.The situation is totally different though and unfair the parallel. And speculation is pointless. True, I will agree that there are many other issues that should be addressed. You definitely won't see me out in the streets protesting against guns or doing any activism(but I cannot blame those who have been victims to gun violence, which isn't limited to mass shootings, but gang violence and reckless murders too). I do firmly believe though that there can be constructive conversation--not the one showed in the video--and improvements regarding gun regulation.

jesse9212  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·