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b_b  ·  4351 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Boeing's 787 Dreamliner was a nightmare waiting to happen

I assume he means that this British publication seems to have a bit of sour grapes. Sorry, kleinbl00, if I'm putting words in your mouth.





guybrush  ·  4351 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That’s how I read it, but it seems like a pointless argument. It is not an article about ‘them’ and ‘us’. There are no sour grapes. It’s just a piece of journalism that raises questions about the cause of the current issues.

I agree with kleinbl00 that the A380 has had significant problems and it is likely not the right type of aircraft to meet future demands. But that doesn't take away from the fact that the outsourced manufacturing model and the political importance of the Boeing 787 may have had a role to play in the current technical problems, which should have been resolved before a single plane took off.

Everyone loses when entire fleets of planes are grounded – the passengers who are inconvenienced and lose confidence – the airlines that lose revenue and are forced to rearrange operations and finances – the suppliers who lose revenue when the manufacturing line grinds to a halt.

kleinbl00  ·  4351 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It’s just a piece of journalism that raises questions about the cause of the current issues.

That is not the case. Large, durable goods such as airliners are a substantial portion of any industrialized nation's economy. In the case of the United States, sales by Boeing and Lockheed are a non-insignificant portion of GDP. In the case of Europe, Airbus is the direct recipient of substantial state subsidy.

There has never been a case of a single airliner not experiencing technical difficulties. The 787 is no different, neither is the A380. The Seattle press always makes much of Airbus' mis-steps - Boeing, at least until eclipsed by Microsoft in 2004, was the largest employer in the region. The Guardian piece is a flagrant attempt to destroy confidence in a rival nation's durable goods. Is the 787 completely safe? Nothing is completely safe. Trying to pretend that there's something revolutionary and scary about the 787 in order to damage a competitor is "fair play" but for fuck's sake, put your back into it.

guybrush  ·  4351 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I agree with your comments regarding the aviation market, and I am sure the current issue with lithium ion batteries will be addressed quickly with little long term impact on Boeing.

I disagree that The Guardian is trying to push a political or economic agenda with the intention of discrediting a US product. The adoption of new technology on the 787 is revolutionary for the airline industry - it is why the 787 will be successful - and should not cause concern. However, when passengers hear that an entire fleet of aircraft has been grounded due to safety concerns, they naturally lose confidence and want answers. Writing an article that examines some of the macro-economic/political drivers should not be off limits.

kleinbl00  ·  4351 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The 787 is evolutionary, not revolutionary. Composites for commercial aircraft were pioneered by the 777 more than 15 years ago. Fly-by-wire first came out in commercial aviation with the A320 in 1988. Glass cockpit? 777 again.

Once more, with feeling: The entire A380 fleet was grounded. The DC-10 fleet was grounded. Considering every argument about the 787 deals with composite materials, having battery problems is a long damn way from warranting "a nightmare waiting to happen."