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kleinbl00  ·  4105 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: There is no way to do Groklaw without email.... So this is the last Groklaw article.

..except that Qwest told the NSA to pound sand and all they got was frozen out of GSA contracts.

It's not going to happen until there is a legitimate, violent reaction at home. So anything short of demanding the NSA be disbanded is pretty much pointless.

"Fans of sausage and politics should not watch either being made." The United States is the world's puppetmaster and a large percentage of Americans have foolishly presumed there were no strings holding them up.





zaphar  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I love sausage and I've seen it get made. In fact I've made it before. Didn't drive me off sausage at all.

Wish I could say the same thing about politics...

Cortez  ·  4105 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    It's not going to happen until there is a legitimate, violent reaction at home.

No one else understands this.

mk  ·  4105 days ago  ·  link  ·  

There are other possibilities, but they are just as unlikely. For instance, Page and Brin could shut down Google, and keep it off until the NSA backed down. It won't happen. But, it's about as likely as a violent reaction.

kleinbl00  ·  4104 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Blood in the streets has more of a likelihood of doing something than Google giving up marketshare to Bing. The CIA did not pull out of Lebanon until William Francis Buckley was kidnapped - not even the Beirut bombings did the trick. There has to be a real human cost for things to change, and even then, it's a reorganization so they can say "The National Security Agency has stopped spying on the American people" while congress authorizes a trillion dollars for the formation of the National Security Association under seal. We were back in Beirut within 9 months.

Go take a peak at Total Information Awareness. see if the Powerpoint doesn't have the same designer as PRISM. It certainly has the same mission, and we violently fuckin' killed TIA in 2003.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Cortez  ·  4105 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Everyone is too comfortable to get violent really, so it's true that its highly unlikely but when I watch protests, you have the peaceful protests, then you have the heavily armored police hitting them with tear gas canisters and batons.