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comment by smoorman1024
smoorman1024  ·  4103 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How to be a slave

I like what he is advocating for but think he is drastically overstating that "You are a slave." If you work as a line worker are you really going to say that the 1 million dollar machine you use to stamp a piece of metal comes out of your salary? No. Of course not. That is the cost of capital and capital increases our productive capacity.

In the end he is advocating for complete ownership of your productive means. Which is great! I agree with that and it's what I will strive for. As he notes, it is riskier though and outside the comfort zone.

It's better to be a capitalist than a laborer.





socialistfuck  ·  4096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"If you work as a line worker are you really going to say that the 1 million dollar machine you use to stamp a piece of metal comes out of your salary? No. Of course not. That is the cost of capital and capital increases our productive capacity."

Could you elaborate?

smoorman1024  ·  4096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

The point is that as a line worker, you don't own the machine so you can't claim that this came out of your salary. Someone else bought the machine so that you can use it. Most likely, the owner of the machine has the money to buy it because the owner has showed they are efficient at allocating capital in the first place hence they are rich enough to buy such machines.

The machine is capital and it increases your productive capacity. If it wasn't for the capitalist who bought this machine, who would decide what the right machine is to use? Would it be the government? It's not the government's place to decide what types of machines and other capital workers should be using in their factory or office. This is obvious because the government doesn't have the financial incentive to pick the best machine in the first place. This implies that governments' that take control of this type of capital have less dynamic economies. See Cuba, North Korea, or Venezuela.

Does my line of reasoning make sense?

socialistfuck  ·  4096 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I understand what you're saying but I couldn't disagree more. I'll update this post when I get home.

Mylly  ·  4097 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Agree for the most part. We're moving towards an economy, in which the labour for money game is not sustainable. It's not going to happen any time soon, but the shift has already begun. Question is whether it's going to be a smooth transition or the outcome of an unprecedented crash.