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comment by Kafke

    Their women make our women look like ogres. I am just a pissed off american who lost my wife to feminists (which is basically everybody) and i don't like manly women.

I'm with you on this one. I find asians much more attractive, and prefer the most feminine. I'm just saying people should be free to do as they like (regardless of taste).

    You can live in this feminist hellhole of a country while i'll be in korea or china where real women exist.

I'm actually planning on moving to Japan.

    To me being a man has to do with protecting women and children (especially your wife and children). That's it. I'm not talking about macho bullshit. However, many of the behaviors associated with masculinity just so happen to also be about protecting women and children, such as being strong. In fact I think a guy who goes out of his way to do some macho bullshit in an attempt to be "manly" is actually a sign of weakness.

Oh. Okay then. That's much different than what I thought you originally meant. I still don't quite agree, but I understand where you are coming from. I think people should act how they want to act and look how they want to look.

    Let me put it this way, i want women to be like this

I want women to be like that as well. My ideal would probably be something like this.

To wrap it up, this is probably the best way to summarize the discussion:

    Well to be honest i don't really care about what other people want only what i want.

I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be.

But I agree, I'm attracted to the standard feminine gender role.



ihaveahadron  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I want to go to japan too but i'll probably go to china.

    I definitely agree with you on how I'd like women to be, but IMO they should be free to do as they like. Just like how historically, people liked slaves, but the slaves should be free to do as they like. Likes =/= what should be.

And this is where I disagree. First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives.

Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy.

Then you look at america where women are openly encouraged to divorce their husbands. The result is the freakshow we have today where the average woman has 5 "baby daddies". You have men stripped of their paternal instincts to protect their families, and then you have messed up children who don't have a father to look up to, which creates more fucked up men and women.

This is all the result of feminism.

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b_b  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Really you can give all the opinions you want on which is the superior society but let's look at the proof. Let's compare china with america. In china women are traditionally feminine. They are mostly looking for a guy to love and have a family with. When a girl in china get's divorced her life is ruined. She has no financial support and has no prospects of finding another husband. The result is a very low divorce rate and in turn (assuming they aren't starving) they are happy.

I'm hesitant to reply to this, because I'm sure you're a troll who is just fucking with us. But if, in fact, this is a serious reply, then I don't think you know enough professional Chinese women. I work with a lot of them who are doctors, scientists and pharmacists, ambitious, high earners who want to be respected as professionals. Also, on the lower end, many of the factory workers in China are female.

And this:

    First of all I have a problem with the idea that women are or have been oppressed. It's an insult to my intelligence to tell me that women (at least the lucky ones) were oppressed by having all their needs payed for and being able to fulfill their maternal instincts free of danger or hard work, while men were out doing heavy labor and risking their lives.

This is where I know you're fucking with us. You know that spousal rape wasn't even a crime in the US in many states until the 70's?

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thenewgreen  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I left this alone because I also thought that it must be intentional trolling. Nice reply though. One thing I would add to it is that any man worth his salt that I know would eventually get bored as hell with one of those mannequins. Strong, intelligent and creative women turn me on far more than what he is suggesting is appealing. But yeah, troll.

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ihaveahadron  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You want a man then. Physically you may be attracted to women but psychologically you want a man.

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thenewgreen  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

ignored. and muted.

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b_b  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

My ideal woman (hint: it's the muscles):

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ihaveahadron  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You appear to be both physically and physiologically attracted to men. It's ok america is into that lately.

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ihaveahadron  ·  4131 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is why i only replied to kakfe. I'm sure there are professional Chinese women, however the majority are not. On my visa application to china one of the "professions" listed was housewife. That would never be an option in america.

Also spousal rape is an oxymoron. I know you've probably drank so much of the feminist kool aid that that statement probably blows your mind.

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