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OftenBen  ·  3925 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How can I be a better single guy?

    I guess the first step would be, stop trying to date anyone. At all. Just don't. You want to focus on you, right? So just tune out romantic notions.

That would rock, if it weren't so damn difficult. When I say I'm good at being a boyfriend, I mean that I frequently come up with, completely spontaneously, little ideas/gifts/thoughtful gestures that I know a S.O. would appreciate, but would not be allowed for any female friend (They all seem to be in relationships, some good, some bad) This happens without any forethought on my part, and NOT having an outlet for my 'romantic' energy causes anxiety and depression.

The personal hierarchy thing is something I've been working on for a long time. I was raised very religious, so overcoming the 'God First, Others Second, Yourself Third(Last)' takes a lot of de-conditioning, even thought I no longer practice or believe in that faith.

And yes, I'm aware the things I enjoy don't have to be solitary, however, unless priority is set, at some point to meet people, simply pursuing the hobbies themselves to their end isn't going to make me new friends. My desire for a S.O., rather than hookups, given my age, comes from a desire to have someone to appreciate those things with, who values a lot of the same things that I do, currently that void, for lack of a better word, is occupied in bits and pieces, but not totally, and not by any one person.

Remember too the 'general male conditioning' of 'I can only be emotionally intimate with people I am physically intimate with as well,' so there's even a hard limit on the times/places where I can express these feelings.

I know I sound defeatist, but I can't help but wonder if it's the rational response.





_refugee_  ·  3925 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    comes from a desire to have someone to appreciate those things with, who values a lot of the same things that I do, currently that void, for lack of a better word, is occupied in bits and pieces, but not totally, and not by any one person.

Well, why can't you have multiple people to fill those voids? I think it may be a little unreasonable to expect a significant other to fill in every role of what you enjoy in life. (Depends on how long the list is!) Why can't you have, say, six male friends with whom you fish, kayak, go to bars, and so on

    NOT having an outlet for my 'romantic' energy causes anxiety and depression.

This sounds like "it causes me anxiety and depression to not do things for other people." That is a very interesting problem to have, I would say. Maybe it is tied to your upbringing. What about volunteering or in some way giving back to the community? It's not romantic, necessary, but it might help with some of that?

OftenBen  ·  3925 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    This sounds like "it causes me anxiety and depression to not do things for other people." That is a very interesting problem to have, I would say. Maybe it is tied to your upbringing. What about volunteering or in some way giving back to the community? It's not romantic, necessary, but it might help with some of that?

I volunteer for a cause that I'm very passionate about, through two different non-profits and a support group in addition to several online communities I help moderate. Yes, I derive a lot of pleasure from helping people, but my 'platonic altruism' needs are being met. Romance, in the cutesy, LTR way is essentially an instinct. I could squash this part of myself, I'm fairly confident I could do it rather quickly too, but I'm almost 100% certain it would never return.

    Why can't you have, say, six male friends with whom you fish, kayak, go to bars, and so on

I'm trying to cultivate that, but it's harder than it sounds. My best friend since 8th grade is becoming a shut in after living in a frat house for 2 years, now he goes to class, plays video games, and other than when I invite him somewhere, or drag him out somewhere, he doesn't really socialize, or even leave the house. He has lost a lot of the adventure we had in high school. Most of my friends from school (Male and female) aren't around in the summer, for various reasons, and like I'm saying, they've all got bits and pieces of a very core part of my identity. I don't think a healthy relationship requires a perfect overlap of interests/values, but I feel a really base desire for a relationship that goes farther, deeper than platonic 'Oh you're pretty neat to hang out with sometimes, when I'm free, bored or otherwise not busy.'

_refugee_  ·  3921 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't know then bro :-/