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threelittlebirdies  ·  3856 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why is slavery wrong? (A late answer to b_b's "An interesting question")

When a person enslaves another person, the enslaver ceases to be see the slave as a being that is worthy of respect; the slave becomes a commodity that happens to be alive.

I do not think it is perilous to make the assertion that the vast majority of sentient beings, human or otherwise, would prefer to be regarded as a fellow sentient being that is worthy of dignity instead of as a commodity to be exploited for profit. If we apply the golden rule to this situation, it would follow that enslaving another being would be a priori immoral, and that if it can be avoided, it should be.





user-inactivated  ·  3856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

An interesting chain of reasoning, but the golden rule is itself a moral decision (you don't have to live by the golden rule – and many don’t) and thus it cannot be used as an a priori premise to get a necessary conclusion. Unfortunately too, even if it could, the slaveholder can still maintain his (or her) belief in the golden rule by asserting exactly what you pointed out -- that a slave is a non-person and doesn’t count -- provided the slave is sufficiently different in race, culture, etc. to be not like the people the slaveholder cares about. You and I think slavery is a very bad thing, but I don’t think you can write an a priori proof of a moral position. If all you want to prove is that slavery is incompatible with a universalized interpretation of the golden rule, then you are saying more-or-less what I have already argued – that slavery is incompatible with the enlightenment concept of equality. That far, we agree!

threelittlebirdies  ·  3856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Interesting turnaround of my logic. It certainly is hard to extricate one's thoughts from one's cultural vantage point.

Slavery isn't wrong; I think slavery is wrong.

user-inactivated  ·  3856 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, it's wrong to the extent that something can be morally wrong. Saying "I believe X is wrong" is hardly meaningless. I wouldn't want to be disheartening. We'll... at least not TOO disheartening.

threelittlebirdies  ·  3855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't mean to sound disheartened ;)

My point was that even if slavery cannot be proven to be objectively wrong, the only thing that matters for me is that I think it is wrong due to a belief that follows from my assertion that all sentient beings are deserving of dignity, and that slavery is by definition an indignity.

If circumstances were to change so that I no longer believed that every sentient being is deserving of dignity, my stance on slavery would follow suit... I don't see that happening anytime soon though.

user-inactivated  ·  3855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That is a coherent and agreeable position -- though I am not sure mere sentience is a sufficient condition for having a sense of dignity.

threelittlebirdies  ·  3855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not having a sense of dignity=/= not deserving of dignity. A demented and incontinent elderly human is certainly not dignified, but they are certainly deserving of dignity.

user-inactivated  ·  3855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, that was not my intent. Sentient means (according to Merriam-Webster):

"responsive to or conscious of sense impressions"

Snails are sentient, but I'm not sure how much dignity we can meaningfully bestow on them. My wife makes a living assisting "demented and incontinent elderly human"s -- so I'm not inclined to disagree on that point.

I used to use the word "sapient" for what I think you're trying to capture, but that term has problems too.

I've enjoyed this exchange, BTW. Thanks!

threelittlebirdies  ·  3855 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Likewise! It's been a pleasure exploring this blurry line of ethics, upon which the snail balances :)