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b_b  ·  3901 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ignore, mute, and hush: how they work, and how you expect them to work

The global thing has a lot to do with the fact that many of the highly ignored users are basically spammers. Maybe there should be a difference between "ignore" and "spam", where an ignored user can still show up in global, but a spammer won't.





kleinbl00  ·  3901 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Y'all need to trust the votes, man. When was the last time you saw a spammer shared? They sit there, selling tires or siding or whatever, in the global - unshared pile and that's entirely appropriate.

mk  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

That's interesting, because AFAIK, you use global more than most. It's one of those issues where I can see a reasonable desire for each. Part of my reasoning for default culling is the way that the site will appear to logged out users. Of course, we could show everything once someone logs in, but that might seem odd when the global feed (the one that a new user must begin with) is fraught with what the rest of the site sees as garbage.

Of course, looking at posts with more shares will help, but I don't think it would be too long before spammers start sharing with puppets.

kleinbl00  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm a corner case. We both know that. But you build for the corners so that the middle is more stable.

If I'm using "global" more than most, you should probably pay attention to me more than most. It means I've found more use for global than most, which means I'm predicting the future for everybody else.

    Of course, looking at posts with more shares will help, but I don't think it would be too long before spammers start sharing with puppets.

Default mod, here to help!

Know what Reddit only started doing recently because it fucked with their made-up traffic numbers ('tis true: if you look at a paid traffic report for Reddit as opposed to Google Analytics, they're overestimating by 15-20x):

Domain bans.

I can already ignore domains. So can everybody else. You have the ability to track how many times a domain has been ignored, right? Set a threshold. Hell, set a threshold/alexa rank ratio - that way even if 20% of your users have huffingtonpost ignored, it'll still show up in Global because it's huge.

ahametals? that threshold could be a little lower.

mk  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Here's someone that hit the threshold fast: https://hubski.com/pub?id=146772

kleinbl00  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Preach.

I turned /r/realestate from a honeypot to a viable subreddit. Lemme know if you want a glimpse of what the banned queue looks like in there. Automod gave me back an hour a day.

cgod  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha, I was enjoying HotelsNigeria's posts, I couldn't in good conscious click the wheel for him but they were strange and made me laugh.

user-inactivated  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

If I specifically ignore someone whose posts I think are dumb or monotonous (but who gets shared by others sometimes/often), my global feed has just been ruined by your idea.

kleinbl00  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

So build out your non-global feed. That's the thing about "global" is it's made up of the intentions of everybody, not just you.

If I click on "community" I see:

- 3 strikethroughs in "recently badged"

- 5 strikethroughs in "most badged"

- 4 strikethroughs in "active posters"

- 3 strikethroughs in "popular commenters"

- 3 strikethroughs in "active commenters"

...which, to me, demonstrates that my own little corner of Hubski is veering towards "echo chamber." That's fine - so long as I can venture forth into the great unknown and see what everyone else is doing. Some of those guys I got ignored and muted come up with interesting content sometimes, I just hate talking to them.

user-inactivated  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Hmm. We ignore and mute for different reasons, is what I'm getting from our last few exchanges. I ignore people who always have low-quality content that I would never want to see -- you're more heavy-handed it sounds like, so I can understand why you might want to "venture forth" occasionally. I probably never would.

kleinbl00  ·  3900 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I ignore people who engage me in flame wars. I've nearly ignored theadvancedapes a few times because his content is entirely too pie-eyed popular science for my tastes, but he's earnest, he's polite (far more polite than I am), he's trying hard, and he's sharing the stuff that interests him (and clearly interests others) and it's good to keep an eye on that stuff.

I ignore obvious spammers. Doesn't gain me much but I figure mk's got some secret sauce back there to detect spam and I assume I'm helping.