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lil  ·  3643 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Pubski: December 3, 2014

Yeah, me too. It was nice to get.

We have to remember that even while we're real people from our point of view, we might also be a distraction or addiction from other points of view. As charming and funny and creative and supportive as we can occasionally be, we are also j U S t letters on a screen.

Well, I am anyway. You are also soundclouds and podcasts. On a screen.





thenewgreen  ·  3643 days ago  ·  link  ·  

You are also a podcast on a screen. Don't diminish your role in those. I love hearing your perspective. But yes, I know first hand how it can be easy to neglect things in meat space because interactions online are so much more easily had.

Balance. All of life is a balancing act.

lil  ·  3643 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    But yes, I know first hand how it can be easy to neglect things in meat space because interactions online are so much more easily had.
Do we have to use the term "meat space?" I know we are made out of meat. I read the story here, on Hubski, so it must be true.

And I understand that in the world of cyberpunk faction, "meatspace" is the term used to refer to that place we are that is not cyberspace. In places like World of Warcraft and 2nd Life, it's a commonly used term.

and perhaps individuals have a personal, dynamic and idiosyncratic meaning for the word. Indeed, "meaty" is a word used to describe something as having depth and substance, something you can bite into.

but here in Canada, I cringe when I hear that phrase. It's cold here and the term "meatspace" reminds me of my freezer, where I keep meat.

I realize that "meatspace" is one wordish, while "the real world" is three. And "reality" has too many meanings to stick into your sentence above:

    I know first hand how it can be easy to neglect things in reality...

Come to think of it, "meatspace" is a kind of handy descriptor of here, where we are when we're not on line. :( maybe I don't like it because it denies subjective reality. And it reminds me of the freezer . . . and, on some level, the grave (a fine and lovely place/but none, I'm sure, do there embrace).

Time for a drink.

thenewgreen  ·  3643 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I think the "real world" diminishes spaces like Hubski. This place, what we are doing, the conversations we are having are all real. I don't disagree that there could be a better term than meat space, but I don't think "real world" is it.

lil  ·  3643 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Excellent point. The implication that there is a "real world" and a "other-than-real world" is less than preferable. That's along the lines of the experience vs reflection myth that I alluded to in another post. Reflection is another kind of experience.

    I don't disagree that there could be a better term than meat space, but I don't think "real world" is it.
How about "on-screen reality" and "non-screen reality"?
_refugee_  ·  3642 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Can this be "screenspace"? And the other be "touchspace"? Just kidding about touchspace. I like meatspace but probably for the same sorts of reasons you dislike it.

lil  ·  3642 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Touch space

Toughspace

The other thing I dislike about meatspace is that it conjures up a meat market - which always conjures up the slave trade for me. It is dehumanizing.

Touchspace

Tough space

user-inactivated  ·  3637 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"In physical reality" perhaps? Or is "physical" more real than "cyber"?

Cumol  ·  3642 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is the first time I have ever heard the term "meatspace". And I consider myself somebody who has spend the majority of his teen life in "cyberspace"/"screen space".

We used to call meatspace IRL, which means (I think) "in real life". But I do agree that Hubski is not what RPG gaming was for me back then, so another term should describe the difference...

lil  ·  3641 days ago  ·  link  ·  

How do you feel about the word "meatspace"? There are quite a few definitions of it on Urban Dictionary.