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swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Ask Hubski: Are you comfortable in your own skin?

Like fees, administration, tests... (In Sweden if a student has good enough grades the school must admit them. I think admission is blind but I'm not sure)





user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Isn't the process of learning affected by poverty regardless of fees charged by a school?

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes it is, but when you are given enough support (E.g free books, free meals, free other meal of the day if the school day is long enough, an house that is open from 7-7 to sit in and study, free bus rides around the town, a school that lets you use it's houses to have a party...) That can be negated.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I suppose. I disagree that that removes the problem of race.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

It doesn't. At all. But is does make it so much better. What I mean is that when everyone's footing is more equal it doesn't negatively impact performance.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I'm thinking that it might help more that Sweden doesn't appear to have as much of a history of, ynno, systematic oppression and hate. That might help a bit. Aren't most minorities in Sweden recent immigrants? I remember you talking about some far-right immigrant hating going on over there.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

We do. You know those schools where Americans put Indians? We had those for Sami people.

We used to sterilize people. Like, nazi Germany thought we were cool.

In fact Sweden has a history of immigration and discrimination.

A long one.

Remember the Vikings? In the 800s? They discovered America, and they raped and pillaged. That is not a figure of speech by the way. They would steal women and children from France and England and hold them as slaves.

Trälar, Thralls.

They lived in horrid conditions.

In fact, I think that the opposite of what you say is true.

A country WITH a history of immigration is better at dealing with it.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Don't fault any country for something that happened so long ago. Raping and pillaging in the 800s? That was the fashion of the time. What country didn't have some of that going on? No, I was talking more about slavery and segregation.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, we had an institute for racial biology in the 1930, not everyone in Sweden could vote until in the 1960. It is quite recent. There is still systematic oppression of Roma people. I could go on.

For fucks sake someone burned a mosque in my school town this Christmas and I have facebook friends who celebrated.

And this is not recent. Sweden was VERY racist in the 1930's.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

No, I do agree that racism was present, but the level of oppression in slavery and then segregation is something that didn't exist in Sweden. Almost every Western country had dabbling in eugenics when that fad went around, but (as far as I know) nowhere produced as much hate as America.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Well, no. I mean, Germany? That's Europe, not America.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Germany had a similar level of racism of any other country til about 1925-1945.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes, but you can hardly say the US is more extreme than that.

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Of course the US was less extreme than the holocaust. The length of time that the US oppressed its Black citizens was much longer. I suppose it did stop short of, ynno, exterminating them. Small comfort. The holocaust was the exception.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Okay. I'm going to be mean now. Don't take it personally.

You're being really annoying in a way Americans often are that I can't stand. You are taking the most dramatic moments of American history and calling that the rule, and when I bring up moments from European history you are calling it the exception.

And no, it's really really not. Sweden played a part in the slave trade and owned colonies (kind of) in America before America became America.

America is a REALLY young country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_colonization_of_the_Americas

user-inactivated  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I looked back on the comments --- I'm a dick. Lemmie talk to you tomorrow you it. I need to go to bed.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3613 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, sleep deprivation is no joke.

user-inactivated  ·  3612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I looked at them again: I don't even know what I was trying to argue. I thiiiiink I meant that America held slaves longer? I'm not honestly sure anymore.

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Haha, don't worry 'bout it.

user-inactivated  ·  3612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

On an unrelated note: is it bad form to comment in another person's conversation?

swedishbadgergirl  ·  3612 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't think so, it just adds another chain of cements. guess it depends a lot on how and when and in what conversation it is though.