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mk  ·  4706 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: John R. MacArthur: Internet con men ravage publishing
    Information wants to be free? So does food. But farmers aren't as stupid as certain publishers, journalists and ad salesmen.

That is such a great quote.





dublinben  ·  4705 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I think the publishers and journalists who think they can sell their infinitely reproducible 'products' like farmers sell their food are the stupid ones. This dinosaur is going to be steamrolled by history.
mk  ·  4705 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I agree that the analogy doesn't have the most solid basis, but it is a hilarious quote.

Personally, I see this turmoil coming to rest in time. When compared against current forms of distribution and copying, the old model of compensation for writing doesn't work. However, if writers get the lion share of the profit, and distributors the small fraction that writers used to get, costs for information can fall to a level that can compete with piracy. Piracy does have costs and inconveniences, and when you distribute information in a way that pays the creator, you can afford build user-friendly platforms that provide value in categorization, search, archiving, recommendation, etc.

alpha0  ·  4705 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Production != Reproduction.

The crux of the matter appears to be a complete undervaluation of the cost and effort of production of informational products, given that "reproduction" costs of information is "negligible ".

History has a funny way of surprising folks. It may turn out that serious producers of mind products will seek wealthy patrons (like in the old days) and the rest of us prols will never get to see or hear their creative works.

dublinben  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If we actually follow the historical patronage model, we'll all get to benefit from the works that are created. The great composers freely released their music to the world, since it was fully paid for by patrons.
alpha0  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
dublinben  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I suppose there's no stopping petty artists like Beethoven from feeling a sense of entitlement even without a concept of copyright.

An interesting counter example would be the enormous success of Shostakovich in the United States compared to similar 20th century composers. His works have not carried copyright protections in the US until very recently, making them significantly cheaper to perform. He would have likely remained relatively unknown outside of Russia if his works weren't freely available to American orchestras.

alpha0  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Fine, I'll bite: Beethoven will live long after you are dust and entirely forgotten as a momentary errant thought of the Universe.
dublinben  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If I were a contemporary composer who was releasing copyrighted musical works, I might be humbled by that thought. Since I'm not, and I freely release my internet presence to the archivists of the world, I'll never really go away.
alpha0  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I regret making such distasteful (and false) statements, fellow Human. It would have been better for me to pass over the above unreasonable ("petty artist") comment of yours and desist from further interaction on this topic. We clearly have a difference of opinion regarding creative work and associated "entitlements".

Go in Salaam and happy St. Patrick's Day.

dublinben  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thanks for the kind words. I shouldn't have been so quick to bait you into an argument either. We'll have to discuss it further in the future.
alpha0  ·  4704 days ago  ·  link  ·  
> I'll never really go away.

The question remains if you have ever even arrived.

ecib  ·  4705 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Yeah, that is a good one :P