Ah. Gotcha. I didn't catch that part. You do what you need to, you be you. I'm really sorry for your loss. I can't stress that enough. Though in my defense, I didn't say I think you don't know what guns are. I'm just trying to help you get a better base understanding of some of the laws, issues, and concepts around gun control as you seemed to have struggled formulating strong arguments in the last gun thread you posted. The links will stay up there for you to use if you want to check them out, if you don't though, I understand. Here's hoping you have a great night though and that you enjoy your dinner. I bet it's both delicious and filling.The assault rifle thing was based on yellowoftops' comment, wherein he suggested that limits on quote-unquote assault rifles shouldn't exist, and that if a background check doesn't go through in three days, that person should get a gun. Ipso hence-o, Dylann Roof should have an assault rifle.
I'm not interested in arguing about this with people who suggest that I don't know what guns even are. My dad killed himself with a gun. I "grew up with guns". I know what they are.
I can't get used to the main concern being the loss of guns, rather than the loss of life. Where I'm from, guns are regulated. They're also used for sport, and hunting. We respected guns enough to know when enough was enough. We valued people's lives more.
Well, to be honest tla, it's not just about the concern of the loss of guns. It's also a concern about what a lot of people view as a general erosion of personal rights. When you combine that with an inherent, culturally ingrained distrust of the government, things start to get real sticky real quick.
It's okay to disagree about gun ownership, but that's actually kind of an unfair statement to make. As I was explaining to j4d3, here in The States law abiding gun owners have a ton of responsibilities because of both State and Federal regulations. We're not as willy nilly about guns as a lot of people, Americans included, think. When you couple that with the fact that there are a multitude of factors that preclude a person from being allowed to legally purchase a gun, it really isn't a black and white issue at all.
Well, the 2nd Amendment reads as . . . So the "well regulated" part isn't about regulating the right to bear arms, but maintaining a strong militia. Where people get upset about gun regulation is the part that says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." Many people see any laws that dictate what we can and can't do with firearms as exactly that, infringing. The whole issue is very difficult as you can no doubt guess. The brevity of the amendment has left it up for a hot, contentious debate for pretty much the whole history of the nation. Wikipedia actually has a great breakdown on the issue.A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
The concept of a militia is so archaic at this point that we don't even have well regulated militias anymore. We have a standing army. And a standing navy. A standing air force . . . the marines. Hell, we even have the Coast Guard, so isn't that like 2 navies? At any point, unfortunately a lack of guns doesn't necessarily mean there won't be tragedies involving schools and other large public places. People who want to be brutally awful will find a way.
War and I both discovered, in the last gun thread that j4d3 posted, that the potential effects of Gun legislation can be ambiguous at best. Australia seems to be a decent case study, though I have to admit that's the only one we really looked in depth into. I think maybe tomorrow, if I have some free time, I'll read up on how gun laws have affected various nations.
Well, as I said in the other thread, I'm all for closing both the Gunshow and the Private Sale loophole. I think both of those are perfectly sound, logical steps. The whole background check completion act also seems like a good idea. Though the concerns that many have, as illustrated by yellowoftops, are indeed valid and shouldn't just be brushed aside. We've seen lately just how little the government really cares about the rights of individuals when it comes to things like privacy (NSA) and jurisprudence (Civil Asset Forfeiture) among other issues. We have a right to be wary.