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organicAnt  ·  3445 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Electric Car Infographic With Ton Of Fun Stats

I don't know how old you are but I remember the first first mobiles were the size of bricks and not one bit practical. I don't remember anyone at the time who believed such cumbersome tech would ever catch on. And it didn't until they became smaller and cheaper. But the phones we have today had to start somewhere to start to create a market by captivating those initial consumers.

The early stages of the internet, pre DNS, websites were only accessible via IP addresses (no google or domain names) which meant you had to carry a list of server numbers in your wallet. To check your email you'd have to have Unix terminal skills. No one believed it would ever catch on beyond the techies and nerds. Not to mention the first computers which were even more archaic with programs in punch cards!

The beautiful thing is, you don't have to get an electric car if you don't want to. But many people get excited about emerging tech and the idea of energy independence, which if you own a home and solar panels, an electric car makes a lot of sense. For those people the choice exists and will only get more better and more refined with time.





WanderingEng  ·  3445 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wasn't referring to a technology being difficult when it was new, I was referring to when it replaces a technology and adds a difficulty. There's a clear difference between an early mobile phone being huge when society had no expectation of being able to contact a person anywhere at any time and an electric car with a limited range and longer recharge time where society expects people to have few limits to mobility.

The corollary might be if early mobile phone users had to choose between a mobile phone or a land line. That wasn't the case but is with cars.

I have no problem with someone buying an electric car, but I can't see how it's a routine transition with new technology.

organicAnt  ·  3445 days ago  ·  link  ·  

One could argue that the mobile phone was not a new tech but an iteration of an existing tech. There were already phones and people already had a set of expectations of phones which mobiles did not meet. Being heavy and not holding charge for long were not desirable properties.

The email example I gave, also fits into your category of more complicated new tech replacing incumbent popular tech. Email had plenty of shortcomings, it was not intuitive or easy to use initially. And it was not expected that it would ever become widely used.

As a reminder that improved tech is often not appreciated by everyone, I leave you with a henry Ford quote relevant to the topic. The emergence of the car industry and how it was perceived relative to the main method of transportation at the time, horses:

    "My ‘gasoline buggy’ was the first and for a long time the only automobile in Detroit. It was considered to be something of a nuisance, for it made a racket and it scared horses."
WanderingEng  ·  3445 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh yeah, it's easily argued that early mobile phones were an iteration and extension of land lines. I don't think I ever saw the huge brick phones in the wild when they were new, but I remember the bag phones. But if the phones were like the rechargeable toys I had in the mid '80s, they took eight hours of charging to get thirty minutes of use.

I didn't use email until about 1996 at which point the interface was fairly slick. I have little doubt the early years took a computer science degree to manage.

I think we largely agree that early iterations of technology are routinely cumbersome.

Where I think we're talking past each other is how people manage those challenges. I'm arguing electric cars are different from mobile phones and early internet (which again, I agree were cumbersome) because if you were out of range of limited cell towers or misplaced your log of IP addresses, you could still make a phone call from home or write a letter. To the user, a mobile phone or email added to the resources they had available.

Most people own a single car per adult. Purchasing an electric car means giving up direct access to a gas powered car. Early mobile phone users didn't give up access to their home and office phones. Early internet users didn't give up access to the postal service or voice telephones. That's the difference I'm arguing. That's why I argue it isn't a routine transition of technology.

organicAnt  ·  3445 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I get your point now. It's a fair point that electric cars have negatives that petrol cars don't have. But the opposite is also true. It's up to you to weight both up and decide if you are ready to accommodate the new tech or not. There's nothing wrong with waiting for a tech to mature a bit before jumping in. I certainly didn't buy a mobile until it fit in my pocket.

Personally, having the ability to charge at home and not spewing toxic fumes as I travel is way more important than the convenience of being able to pull up at the pump around every corner. Specially knowing that range and charging will just improve with time. It's up to each of us to decide.