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kleinbl00  ·  3418 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Did you ever say "I could do that" when looking at some modern art?

Your analysis is vastly closer to the truth than the video's.

That pile of candy? Yeah. Sold for $750k, if I recall correctly. About 10 years after Torres died. So who's the artist? 'cuz Torres didn't make the candy, wrap the candy or pile the candy, and he sure didn't sell the candy. So what aspect of that is the part that ended up in a gallery?

But that doesn't fit in a jump-cutty little video.





Isherwood  ·  3418 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, when she was talking about the "deskillinization" of art all I could think about is the fact that these people don't have less skills, they have different skill. Technical skill might not be huge, but social skill seems to be much bigger. It's an interesting little dynamic.

elizabeth  ·  3418 days ago  ·  link  ·  

From the video:

    It's not that these things don't take skill, it's just that they take different kinds of skill

So it looks like you guys agree :)

I liked this video because it gave many different reasons to dismiss comments like " I could have done that". Some reasons I agree with, other not really but it gives a bunch to think about I find.

kleinbl00  ·  3418 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I actually don't agree at all. Torres's shit was deliberately skill-free. Mondrian's skill was entirely separate from what the video highlights - "look! He painted straight lines!" The video is pretty much a pat, self-assured straw-man argument wrapped up in cheerful "look, youtubers!" livery.

The debate, if the other side is allowed to speak, goes like this:

"I could have made that."

"But you didn't!"

"But I COULD have."

"Are you sure? Straight lines are hard! Let's go shopping!"

"Almost positive he used masks like everybody else. Wonder if there's any evidence of that on the Internet."

"Artists use a different kind of skill! It's still skill!"

"Show me the skill in putting two clocks on a wall."

"Okay, why don't you put two clocks on a wall! Maybe you'll learn something about art!"

"Yeah, I'll learn that a pair of walmart clocks won't get me into the MoMa."

"You see? It's about context! Art is context!"

"Torres did context like a madlib. Every work he did is about dying or aids. They're all called "untitled" (non sequitor)". I could point to two throw pillows on my couch and say it's about dying of AIDS and people would think I was crazy. Torres would do the same thing and the Saatchi brothers would buy it for $400k. The context is 'fuck you, I'm rich.'"

"There, see? You learned something about art!"

continues hating modern art because the apologizer doesn't understand it either

Isherwood  ·  3417 days ago  ·  link  ·  

This is why I liked Exit Through the Gift Shop.

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