- It's so strange how I am the smartest most reasonable person. I wonder why. What a sad, stupid world!
My reaction to people who are outside the norm -- gay, lesbian, transgender, whatever... is to just accept it and move on. I really don't give a damn whether you're a man, woman, or a trigendered pyrofox(well, calling yourself a trigender pyrofox would probably get a laugh from me. I'm pretty open-minded but crap like that is where I draw the line). Your identification doesn't tell me anything about you as a person, except maybe that you're off-limits for dating or that you've got a different emotional mindset from me. And, like ViHart, I tend to cynically assume that people are using their identities as an attention-getting tool. Caitlyn Jenner leaves a bad taste on my mouth because I feel she cashed out on her identity, even if her real motivations are completely different. I guess I'm just wired to assume that everyone thinks the same way I do.
Isn't that sorta the point though. Your identity is an expression of who you are, and the goal is not to express your identity in an empty room; you want others to see/understand/connect-to who you are as a person. Don't get me wrong, I think the peope who feel the need to shout their identities are overbearing, annoying, and exhausting. But I also think we all want that attention that is human connection.And, like ViHart, I tend to cynically assume that people are using their identities as an attention-getting tool.
Occasionally I'll run a self-analysis and compile thoughts on my own sexuality and gender identity, so maybe it's time to write a summary. If this were a big stage comedy sketch, I'd write some lead up to this punchline: "Thank God I'm not gay!". I could simultaneously offend two communities, the Christians and the gays, and especially belittle the Christian gays. Oh I forgot, mainstream comedy sucks. Let's start over. I've given it some thought, and I honestly think that even if I had any "genetic predisposition" to homosexual attraction, it's been so overwritten with social/cultural programming of male heterosexuality and masculinity that it's likely irreconcilable. In other words: I'm a dude, and other dudes just don't seem attractive to me. But wait: there is worldwide cultural incentive to stay (majority?)* heterosexual. That's fucked up. And that's a perpetuating cycle; cultural programming becoming culture becoming... I had a very masculine gay friend who once told me that he didn't understand why the stereotypical gay mannerisms were "the way that they are". I would argue that most gay males exhibit more "feminine" behaviors than their heterosexual counterparts, and vice versa for women. Eventually, I've realized that there exists an entire spectrum of gender identity and sexuality, and although some patterns dominate, there are interesting outlying data points of people. It's neat how different people are from person to person. And I'm pretty boring in where I lie on this particular spectrum. *I think small amounts of homosexuality are acceptable in mainstream American culture. P.S. I still love all Hubskiers.
For my own curiosity, can you tell how attractive other guys are? For example, I can tell when a guy is really, really attractive, but beyond that, I find it hard to say if one is specifically more attractive than a other.I'm a dude, and other dudes just don't seem attractive to me.
Oh yeah, for sure. I'm pretty decent at gauging other guys' general attractiveness, but I just don't feel the attraction.For my own curiosity, can you tell how attractive other guys are?
I think there is a clear difference between knowing if a guy is attractive and wanting to have sex with them. I can look at dogs, all of the same breed and be able to distinguish the most attractive dog. -doesn't mean I want to have sex with it. or does it?
I most certainly wasn't trying to imply anything of that nature and am honestly sorry that you took it that way. To me, how well we judge attractiveness is just an interesting sidebar to sexuality, with just as broad a spectrum, and it's own influences and consequences on our society.
I found this video to be very interesting, and it made me think of something that I've been wanting to have a discussion about. Intellectually, I'm 100% supportive of any gender/sexuality/whatever that people identify with, and I think everyone should be allowed to be the person they feel they are. Particularly when it comes to homosexuality, I'm accepting of it both intellectually and emotionally, I pretty much feel completely fine if I see two dudes kissing, or whatever. However, at my previous job, I was confronted with something that I simply haven't been exposed to before: A former man, who had transitioned into a woman. This particular woman basically looked like a man in a dress, but the thing that made it strange for me was that she also acted and spoke exactly like a man. Basically the least feminine person imaginable. This made me very aware of how ingrained gender roles really are, as I have never seen anyone that was born a (physical) woman ever act quite this masculine. I'm repulsed by the concept of gender roles, and I've always thought that men and women should act however they want, but I guess the culture I've grown up in has had a more profound effect on me than I thought. It turns out that I do expect women to act a certain way. I don't mean the caricature of a woman staying in the kitchen and nurturing children, but there is a certain spectrum of behaviour which feels natural to me, and once a certain threshold of masculinity has been passed, it starts to feel odd to me. My conclusion on this is that I don't believe this woman would've behaved in this way if she'd been perceived as a female her entire life. Women are socialized in a different way than men. This makes me even more certain that a great deal of the behaviours associated with women and men have little to do with genetics, and more to do with culture (or maybe it says nothing on the subject, as I guess this woman is genetically a man?). I've grown up with homosexuality being depicted around me my entire life, so my mind has simply gotten used to it, but this is something else. Like I said, I'm fully supportive of this intellectually, but I can't help feeling a bit strange around her. I'm not saying I think it's wrong, but I would like to have an honest discussion about people's experiences with this sort of thing.
Having a kid altered my own view here somewhat. I have always felt it was part nature, part nurture, and I still do. However, watching my daughter, it seems that her baseline gender propensity was largely something that was out of anyone's hands. Most people would see her as a girly girl. She likes dresses and shoes, she loves dolls, and she loves to change her own clothes and that of her dolls. Currently, one of the first things she does when I get home is explain to me what a doll or stuffed animal's name is, and who is its momma. Personally, I was excited about the prospect of raising a girl, partially because as I consider myself to be conscious of gender normalization, I thought I could raise my daughter without the undo influence of these expectations. I am not a very masculine-acting guy, and I know that for a time, some members of my family were not sure whether I was hetero or homosexual. As I mentioned here before, I often change the sex of storybook protagonists to female to reduce the imbalance. That said, before she could even walk, my daughter would crawl into our entry room, and pass the time trying on different shoes. She still loves it, and is always looking for an excuse to change what she is wearing, or to put on bunny ears or fairy wings. That's not to say that I haven't been able to influence her to a degree. She loves insects and toads, and I have worked to foster that interest. We turn over rocks and pick up worms and bugs, often at her request. In fact, my wife was recently worried about her accidentally picking up stinging caterpillars, and I realize that my insistence that we don't dissuade her from picking up bugs was in part due to the fact that I don't want her to lose that very gender independent interest when doing so would mimic a classic gender behavior. If anything, the extent to which my daughter's innate behavior aligns with a classic gender role strengthens my belief that people that do not feel comfortable in one of those roles are naturally not aligned with them independent of conditioning. At the same time, I have to accept that there is nothing wrong with someone that is naturally aligned with a classic gender role. IMO the problem isn't the existence of certain behaviors, how common they might be, or even our ability to identify commonalities between them. The problem is if there is pressure applied to people to assume or mimic a role that they don't feel comfortable with.My conclusion on this is that I don't believe this woman would've behaved in this way if she'd been perceived as a female her entire life. Women are socialized in a different way than men. This makes me even more certain that a great deal of the behaviours associated with women and men have little to do with genetics, and more to do with culture (or maybe it says nothing on the subject, as I guess this woman is genetically a man?).
This is exactly how I feel. I just don't understand how gender can play such a big role in peoples lives, even so much so that some feel the need to change it. I don't feel like gender defines people and I hate male/female generalizations (and generalizations in general, hehe). Same reason I dislike feminist movements, I'd rather see more humanism and egalitarianism (but more of an equal opportunity instead of forced politically correct equal distribution e.g. in academic/professional fields or in media/advertising).