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thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Why Moby-Dick is the Greatest American Novel
I've never read Moby-Dick, I'd gladly do so. Have you read it caio? Was it the "sort of thing you like"?




briandmyers  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I read it many years ago; I remember being under-whelmed at the time, but it could be that I would appreciate it more, on a re-read. It's not overly long, so I may just do that soon. I certainly would not rate it as the greatest American novel (for that, I would nominate "A Confederacy of Dunces" perhaps, or maybe "Slaughterhouse-Five").

It may be interesting to compare and contrast the whaling depicted in "Moby Dick" with that described in "Jamrach's Menagerie", as both are set in the era when commercial whaling for oil was being supplanted by petroleum oil drilling.

thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Have you finished Jamrach's Menagerie yet? I've only just begun.

As for the "Greatest American Novel", I like your call of Slaughterhouse-Five and would add to it A Farewell to Arms. Though, I might point out that while both of these picks have American Protagonists, they take place largely outside of the US (and partially on the planet of Tralfamadore) which makes it difficult to call them an "American Novel" in the same way one might coin Huck-Finn as such.

briandmyers  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Got one chapter left on Jamrach, I should finish it today.

I liked Huck Finn a lot, I think I'll put that on my re-read list also (although I very rarely re-read books) - I last read that when I was a teenager, that would have been in the late 70's.

Just thought of another book that I would consider a 'greatest American novel' candidate - "A Prayer for Owen Meany" by John Irving - such a powerful book.

lucid_one  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I've never actually read any of the books you guys are mentioning except "A Prayer for Owne Meany" and I'm not sure if it deserves to be called the greatest American novel but I can definitely say it's one of my favorite novels. A wonderful story, pretty much read it in a day.
briandmyers  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If you read any, you should read "Slaughterhouse-Five". It will make a Vonnegut fan of you, and break your heart at the same time.
lucid_one  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Thank you for the suggestion. I'll put it at the top of my list but may have to re-read a Prayer for Owen Meany again first.
thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
A Prayer for Owen Meany is a damned near perfect novel. I've yet to meet anybody that didn't enjoy reading that book.

aside: I used to always confuse John Irving with John Updike until I actually read John Updike. In my opinion, they couldn't be much different in their styles and subject matter. I started reading Updikes "rabbit" series and never got passed Rabbit is Rich.

briandmyers  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Agreed. The comparison of Marilyn Monroe to America sticks with me, a beautiful piece of writing.
briandmyers  ·  4572 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I started re-reading Moby-Dick last week, got about 5 chapters in. Was enjoying it quite a lot, too, when I discovered I was reading a "compact" edition - i.e., abridged. Uck, no thanks.

So, I'll try again later, when I get a full version from the library. Just wanted to say that I did like it, more than I remembered. Still, it is a little bit difficult to follow at times - he uses terms and historical references that are no longer in common use.

caio  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I never read it. There aren't many fish (or aquatic mammals) in the books I've read. There are some dogs, though.
thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
You ever read the Cave by Jose Saramago? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cave_(novel) ? I figured you may have since it's written in Portuguese. Its one of those books that I'm close to finishing, but haven't. It is always present of mind though... I think of it often.
caio  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I haven't read any Saramago yet, except for the short The Tale of the Unknown Island.

I try to read just one book at a time and I've been dedicating that slot to the quintology of books (currently on 3 of 5) on the brazilian dictatorship, which lasted 20 years, so there's a lot to read about.

    I figured you may have since it's written in Portuguese.

It's funny you should say that, because I recently began The Lusiads precisely because it's considered the greatest literary achievement in the portuguese language. It's a nice feeling to know I'm reading a book that's considered the Odyssey of your language. Makes me feel kinda proud.

I'm sure there are a lot of great writers from Norway to Iran or any other country I don't know about because their culture is so distant from mine. There must be millions of Saramagos or Melvilles or Machados de Assis around the world.

thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
The reason I mentioned The Cave had less to do with portuguese than it did the fact that it has an awesome dog in it.

Some of my favorite reads have been books that were not originally written in English. I would count among these, 100 Years of Solitude, Crime and Punishment and The Stranger

Enjoy the epic poem!

caio  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
thenewgreen  ·  4583 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Wonderful! That link confirmed two things that I've long suspected but never confirmed: 1. Dogs often resemble their owners and 2. Angela Landsbury was once young.

I have a "literary dog" of my own. Pictured here on the right is my dog named "Hemingway". On the left is my musical dog named "Harrison".