- As a result, there’s a growing backlash among women who want to be more open about being closed. While the sex positivity movement strives to make people more comfortable with their own preferences, it also creates a false binary—are you positive or negative? Are you chill or are you a prude? By purporting to be inclusive of everything, sex positivity has become an orthodoxy.
Posting this because there might be an interesting discussion around the topic rather than because I necessarily agree with the article.
These kinds of articles always make me feel like the authors think that being sex positive means forcing yourself to have as much sex as possible. They also always point out that nobody feels comfortable about the amount of sex they're having. It's always too little or too much. And people apparently are constantly bragging about how many people they're banging? I can think of one friend I've had that did that, and that's it. Speaking as a European, I can't help but think that this is connected to the deep American malaise surrounding sex. Obviously I'm mostly seeing you guys through your media, so perhaps I have an unrealistic view of how things really are over there, but personally I've never felt much shame about my sexuality, and I haven't felt like my friends do either. Not that we discuss sex that much, I guess. I'm not saying I've never had any issues, or always felt like I was having the right amount of sex, but it seems so overblown in the US. I'm somewhat perplexed by how sex is portrayed and discussed over there. The media seems so hyper-sexualised, in a very artificial way, and yet there are still large parts of the country that have abstinence-only sex. ed...? It's frankly bizarre, and I'm not surprised that people end up having uncomfortable relationships with their sexuality.
Best reason to post a link to Hubski, in my opinion. I was raised in a very sex-negative environment. It's going to take me a while to figure out what a factual, nuanced and emotionally digestible middle ground is. At the moment, I believe if all parties are of legal age, sound mind and consent, there should be no barriers* placed on what they choose to do behind closed doors. *Death and functional disfigurement exempt, barring unusual circumstances. Edit to make a clarification. I don't think there should be any legal penalty or threat for what goes on behind closed doors between consenting adults AND People need to be aware of the reactions their behaviors will elicit, should they become public. Protection from the law is not protection from consequences of actions.Posting this because there might be an interesting discussion around the topic rather than because I necessarily agree with the article.
yeah my experience with the "sex positive movement" as discussed in this article has been a lot of talking over people with not so positive experiences with sex. which is not to say i think people shouldn't be enthusiastic and open about sex, but it's been the sort of experience where the more you have to say you are abc (nice, smart, cool, chill about all levels of comfort about sex, etc) the less likely you are to actually BE abc.
On the one hand, I recognize the value and necessity of open, free discussion of women's experience in a culture that sublimates the female persona. On the other hand, women discussing sex without mentioning men's place in their autonomy is liberating while men discussing sex without mentioning women's place in their autonomy is misogynism. To the best of my knowledge, I was the first Redditor to trip the troll filter in both r/mensrights and /r/twoxchromosomes. It saddens me that women being hateful are evolved but men being hateful are psychopaths. At the same time, I recognize that women being hateful rarely kill men while men being hateful are the leading cause of death and injury for women so in the end, I just end up sour.
well, I think it would depend on the context of the article. Don't get me wrong, your point is well taken and I think you'd be correct in a fair amount of circumstances (especially if a radfem from tumblr managed to notice it through the haze of their own self-importance). However, I think that an article that basically said These advertisers and media companies are fucking liars, and if you don't want to have sex, it's okay. If you want to have lots of sex, it's also okay. If you want to focus less on outside influence and more on self-improvement, you should. If you want to get sexy for the (insert partner here)s, then do it. There's not one way to live as a human and you shouldn't be ashamed to live as your authentic self." would be pretty welcome anywhere - Because that's what feminism is and that's what sex positivity is: not whatever this article is about. DID YOU KNOW that a lot of the Supreme Court decisions that lead up to Roe v. Wade were made possible because they argued how the system was sexist against men? Frontiero v. Richardson decided "that benefits given by the United States military to the family of service members cannot be given out differently because of sex" because a Female Lieutenant's husband wasn't eligible for benefits.Weinberger v. Wiesenfeld ruled that "unanimously held that the gender-based distinction under 42 U.S.C. § 402(g) of the Social Security Act of 1935 [...] violated the right to equal protection secured by the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution." Why? because the case involved a widower who could not recieve benefits to take care of his child after his wife died. Duren v. Missouri Struck down voluntary jury duty (as opposed to mandatory jury duty) for women as unconstitutional because it treated women differently than men. None of these have to do with sex. They barely have anything to do with roe v. wade. They have everything to do with equal rights for both genders, which is what feminism is actually about. They were all fought by now SCJ Ruth Bader Ginsburg while she was a lawyer for the Womens Rights Project at the ACLU. Feminism represents men as much as it represents women, and those cases are proof positive of that fact. The fact that the current internet culture doesn't reflect that is fucked up, bad and wrong. Ok. So what the fuck am I blathering on about here. Sex positivism, as a part of feminism, is about putting equal weight on the sexual lives of our gendered people. Currently, the virginity of men is valueless (if not negatively valued), whereas the virginity of women is simultaneously both valued and scorned. This is insanity, and goes back to when women were property (as you mention in your latterly linked post) and virginity was considered the plastic wrapping on the box that showed that your Telescoping Lightsaber Darth Vader figure from 1978 had never been played with and wouldn't spit out someone else's child that you would then have to confirm as your own, or deny and have your virility questioned. Sex positivism is not about having lots of sex, it's about saying "sex is just a thing we happen to do and is not special unless you as a person choose it to be for yourself, and only for yourself. Don't judge other people's shit." That's literally all it is. Don't slut-shame people, don't virgin-shame people - pretty basic concept. I don't know how it turned into "well now I feel pressured to have sex even if I don't want to" because that's literally the opposite of what it's about. It's also a gender neutral subject. Like, even though it's less common, men do get slut-shamed - I've seen my friends do it, and have it happen to them. More commonly, they do get virgin-shamed. It's bullshit and stupid. I mean, they're both bad because at a fundamental level it is difficult and problematic to talk about any topic without using comparison, but I can see the argument for the first being "liberating" because it's still a relatively new topic. It's also still a controversial topic depending on where you live. I went to my master's with a girl who wasn't allowed to cut her hair and had to wear long dresses and 3/4 length sleeves all the time because her church believed that women's sexuality was something dangerous. She's christian, and this is in the liberal north of Ohio, which is itself a Swing State. Other girls in my school shamed one of my friends for having sex before marriage. This shit is a secular postsecondary school in the liberal section of a state in a "first world" country, not some backwater, or the bible belt, or some Islamic State stronghold. The struggle for women's autonomy is still being waged in the US, with Roe v. Wade being chipped away at by conservatives on almost a daily basis because they see denying women's autonomy as a method of control for both genders. So I'm cool with "women discussing sex without mentioning men's place in their autonomy", but I'm not cool with "men discussing sex without mentioning women's place in their autonomy", not because I think either conversation is very good, but because "women discussing sex without mentioning men's place in their autonomy" is still dangerously liberal talk in the US. Hopefully I've made myself clear, and not look like an idiot in the process.An article about male attitudes about sex written by a male with no reference whatsoever to the female viewpoint would be subject to an endless stream of hatorade from all corners of the internet.
"you know guys, advertising agencies, porn and mainstream media constantly assert that you need to have sex to be manly, as much sex as possible. They infer that the only purpose of exercise is not self-betterment, but to to be as attractive to your sexual partners as possible, and they assert that you are idiots who have no idea what emotions are and no idea how to clean or cook.
On the other hand, women discussing sex without mentioning men's place in their autonomy is liberating while men discussing sex without mentioning women's place in their autonomy is misogynism.
You have a unique perspective amongst everybody on Hubski, I think. So I'm curious - what did you personally experience as far as promiscuity etc when you identified as male vs. when you started identifying as female? No matter what I may think, I'm only seeing one side of it. And having been privy to what women experience online, being "female" on the Internet is a fucking horrorshow, even if you're just pretending to be one for the lulz. It's enough to make me cautious about any opinions I may have because I think entitled male privilege tends to completely swamp the actual, mundane, day-to-day drudge of aligning with the fair sex.
I wish I had a good answer, but I'm the wrong person to ask. I haven't had a date in over a decade and literally hate myself, so I don't have a whole lot of recent romantic experience. Have I noticed sexism? hell yes - I'm at a point in transition where some days I pass and some I don't, and on days when I pass as male I get treated incredibly differently by strangers than I do when I pass as female. I get treated more like a beginner when I pass as female in the music world, and my (personally perceived) adequacy in cooking, cleaning etc is given praise more often when I pass as male. It's a weird scene. Trans people have documented this effect, and we even talk about it when someone is like "what's transition like?" because we say "well be prepared for privilege you didn't even know you had to slowly slip away. People will assume you don't know how to pump gas." Trans men suddenly have people paying attention to what they say, etc.You have a unique perspective amongst everybody on Hubski, I think. So I'm curious - what did you personally experience as far as promiscuity etc when you identified as male vs. when you started identifying as female?
Wowsers. We need to get you laid. Whatever that looks like at the moment. There's a checker at my local supermarket in WA. For a few months she dressed as a girl. Now he dresses as a boy. I can only assume the supermarket got complaints over how poorly she passed and gave her an ultimatum. On the one hand, it's confusing for me... but it's gotta be torture for her.
you know what would make that kids life? ask "Hey kid, what are your preferred pronouns?" and then use the ones they say.
I can't even figure out what kind of negative responses you would get for talking about men's experiences without including woman but I'm not going to doubt you've got them. Not because of you, but because well ya know somebody somewhere will always have a negative response. Women being hateful ruins lives from the inside out, that stuff is nasty.
I mean basically what I got from the article is " x movement is supposed to be about y but some people take it to far and make it about z so it makes others feel alienated." Literally insert any movement for x and it'll work. There will always be those people that make any movement more about their own image and less about it's role in society. Once it's personal or they identify with it they have a harder time fitting others into the movement who aren't like them or who aren't on the same path.