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comment by bhrgunatha

I'm not into conspiracy theories or gross speculation but I think the points in this video are a compelling case that it IS a man made virus and we (the world) should collectively take some sort of punitive action against the Chinese government.

The Case against China:

I don't know how to assess the scientific claims but he's saying:

The Wuhan strain is a combination of 2 viruses one which can spread easily to humans from animals (but isn't dangerous) and one which is deadly but doesn't spread to humans and the dangerous one has parts of HIV embedded to enable human transmission and the chance of this occurring naturally are so astronomically small that it's basically impossible to be a natural evolution.

Update:

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This article in Nature concludes it probably was natural mutations :

Two quotes

    In the midst of the global COVID-19 public-health emergency, it is reasonable to wonder why the origins of the pandemic matter. Detailed understanding of how an animal virus jumped species boundaries to infect humans so productively will help in the prevention of future zoonotic events.

and

    The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.

So it's feasible that it was natural processes although no conclusive proof one way or the other.





am_Unition  ·  1762 days ago  ·  link  ·  

And there may never be 100% conclusive proof. We're certainly already in the midst of an information warfare front on this.

Although he appears to understand some technical concepts correctly, Molyneux has an agenda, and fails to use citations. His links in the description are funding solicitations.

The scientific process takes time. People want answers, but we have to be sure. We always knew this could happen naturally. My mind is not yet made up.

kleinbl00  ·  1761 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I look to the Soviet Union for answers.

When Kyshtym happened, there was documentation, there was a paper trail. Nobody really saw it outside of the circle of trust because the Soviets managed to keep things on the DL but there was paper. When Chernobyl happened? It got out so we have documentation (trustworthy or not) by the minute. You can continue on with the space program: we've got horrifically bad footage of Nedelin, even though it was denied by the Soviets/Russians until 1995.

Sverdlovsk, on the other hand? We have first person accounts of how the release happened and the Russians still denied it happened. Aralsk? 50,000 vaccinations but nothing actually happened there. We don't even know that much about the Rajneeshee attack even though Ma Anand Sheela entered an Alford Plea and went to jail for 29 months.

Ken Alibek pointed out that one of the principle advantages of a biological warfare program is it's extremely easy to hide. Top US officials legit toured Vektor and found nothing despite the fact that the Soviets had produced 20,000 tons of anthrax spores there the previous year and were in production less than two months earlier.

We're never going to know. There will be all sorts of circumstantial evidence, but every politician will describe it as circumstantial evidence, and every businessman will continue to buy cheap chinese shit made by people with a legitimate fear that if their social credit drops too low Xi will harvest their organs.

bhrgunatha  ·  1762 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yes it certainly feels "propagandist" which is why I added the edit but with kleinbl00 's other post I'm leaning towards lab fuck up,

b_b  ·  1762 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I wonder if anyone is going to sue the Chinese government for wrongful death, a la the Saudis after 9/11. I'm pretty sure it's illegal to sue a foreign government in US court, but there could be exceptions. Suing the lab, which is an arm off the government, could be interesting, too. Discovery would be more entertaining than any movie you've ever seen.