My assertion would be that there is a direct line from to that doesn't seem to happen often enough. You'd do it, because you know full well where the internet is unsafe, but for the vast majority of parents it seems like an insurmountable task so they just don't. I'd argue the point is not to scare parents, the point is that parents should be helped in managing this shit because the techbros sure as fuck won't help. Tech always moves much faster than society can catch up to it, but in this particular case we seem to be lagging behind in a very painful way and the consensus seems to be to maybe do the absolute minimum. Is the Internet a net positive? Well, yeah, but in moderation. So is alcohol as kb points out. I, too, was a socially isolated preteen on the web and have seen my fair share of awfulness due to the complete lack of any parental guidance. But it exposed me to ideas and information and people I'd otherwise never meet. Because it was hard for anything to engage me irl. I fled to niche hobby phpBB forums and mowed down pedestrians in GTA: Vice City when I was nine. I agree, so I think the solution is better parenting. I don't think I ended up worse from my exploratory years on the Internet but that was way before algorithmic feeds, with my own cautiousness a determining factor in what I did and did not do. Kids and teenagers benefit from parents giving them some borders. I didn't get any, but I came of age just before social media really shaped teenagers. Gen Z also didn't get any restraints, but got rekt by social media. Thank fuck it's dying, but that doesn't mean we're out of the woods I think. This strikes me as a very absurd juxtaposition. What percentage of parents do you think are even aware of these dangers? because I'm afraid it's very, very low. My parents knew literally zero about the dangers, this generation of parents know...some things but it frustrates me how far we still have to go.i think that this kind of firehouse-sucking access to the world is more than a lot of people can bear
if they're addicted to the ipad, pull the teat out of their mouth
i don't see how the solution is continued coddling
make sure every once in a while they're not getting groomed by a neonazi or a pedophile. just relax.
but what is better parenting? i don't ask to try to score debate points: i don't know what that looks like, and any insight on what you think it is would guide me to better engage. calling all hubski parents: what do parents have to do? what do you do right now, at whatever age your kid is at? what do you think you should do, or could do better? i don't know how to respond other than to say that the lack of comprehension among the elderly and the internet-elderly is cooking them as well, and that they are eating the slop and enjoying it more than young people. if you weren't part of the pre-eternal september vanguard, and you aren't tech-adjacent, and you didn't spend some part of your youth online, your base level of knowledge is "how do i print pdf" and "facebook said there are chemicals in the tapwater." i don't think it's absurd to talk about what-ought-to-be in this context when we can all see that what-actually-is is a mess. all you need to be a parent is to have kids. think about the average person in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc - and extrapolate that knowledgeset to the average parent in the same age range. i think it's safe to say that for a really large chunk of people, the internet is incomprehensible beyond the lake that they skim the surface of. from what i see, people make themselves a range that they stick to: email, social media, a little youtube if you're getting spicy. they keep it shallow because they are conscious of their own ignorance, and develop skills to avoid showing it. the continuing problem is the fact that young people are much, much more equipped to deal with all this than their parents. GenX begat GenZ, but the percentage of IRC-hopping andies and Cory Doctorows of that generation is still not very big. Now that Millennials are giving birth to GenAlpha, we see how ("more") internet-equipped parents are raising internet-accessing children, but those kids are still preteens at most. There's no survive the internet class. there isn't even a be a parent class. instead we have the onslaught of "phone bad, screen bad" from every source read by the parent age brackets, and either you know nothing about it (aforementioned GenX and older beyond the Elite Percentage who could probably roll and smoke >90% of the world population on this), or you're a Millennial and you have extreme guilt over your own screen use and internet addiction, and project your own experiences on your Ipad kid. I'm not at all equipped or qualified to solve any of this. I do think that I'm more capable of narrowing down the problem than the average OpEd writer of the world, or the average Haidt. Maybe that's egotistical, but I believe it.This strikes me as a very absurd juxtaposition. What percentage of parents do you think are even aware of these dangers? because I'm afraid it's very, very low. My parents knew literally zero about the dangers, this generation of parents know...some things but it frustrates me how far we still have to go.
Parenting, ultimately, is picking your battles. It's a relationship - an unequal one, but a relationship nonetheless - where you have to convince your counterparty to do what you want. You will succeed most, but not all of the time, and you have to work with what you've got. I'm sure there were aspects of your upbringing where your parents were unreasonably strict. I'm sure there were others where they were inexplicably permissive. The trick with parenting and social media is that it is harder for a parent to evaluate the dangers of social media than it is to evaluate the dangers of cigarettes, for example, or playing in traffic. I dated a girl whose dad once told me "It's not if you'll screw up your kids, it's how badly and how often." Now granted - he was a fucking horrible parent. I don't think you're destined to screw up your kids. But I do think that they're not going to come out exactly as you plan them to no matter how hard you try. I also think it's more effecitve to tell a kid they can't watch that much television because it makes them easily bored and they aren't getting as much enrichment out of it and they aren't making as many memories as if they were playing with Legos than it is to tell them "because I said so." And right now, the easily-reachable argument for cutting back on social media is "because I said so" since the social media companies are obscuring the facts around the harms. That's because we fucking left, dawg. For the vast majority of GenX? It was all downhill from Friendster onwards. South Park was the first show I know of that streamed online and every millennial I knew thought it was the beez kneez and every Xer I knew thought it was straight dogshit and if you take online culture from before Winamp, and you take online culture after Winamp, GenX kept their CDs, kept their crunk proto-PHPBB forums, got into one or two messy online relationships via Facebook that threatened their marriages and noped the fuck out of the internet entirely. It became a shouty place where those little shits who were Baby On Board placards when they were kids dictated the rules, dictated the culture, dictated the language and drowned out everything interesting in a miasma of infantile bullshit. That, more than anything, is what led to Yahoo - "let's curate this bullshit by hand so we can ignore most of it. That's what led to Google - "let's figure out an algorithm so we don't have to pay any attention to it at all." That's what led to Amazon - "let's just connect their unfathomable tastes with the bottomless pit that is Ingram." Pretty much every Internet innovation from GenX was "here's whatever fucking content you want, pay me and go the fuck away." GenX saw the toxicity when Zuck was in fucking high school. That's on us; we figured out how to get rich off of it rather than kill it in the crib. And honestly? I think everyone else will, too. But it helps when you can easily assess which parts are toxic and which parts aren't without having to sit through it all with your kid beside you the way the 'boomers did to millennials.but what is better parenting? i don't ask to try to score debate points: i don't know what that looks like, and any insight on what you think it is would guide me to better engage. calling all hubski parents: what do parents have to do?
GenX begat GenZ, but the percentage of IRC-hopping andies and Cory Doctorows of that generation is still not very big.
This is a fallacious line of reasoning though, because it's akin to saying that the solution to the obesity epidemic is to eat less. While this could be technically true for any given person, the fact that so many people are suffering simultaneously points to an underlying structural problem. I was just reading a lead story today in WSJ about how cancer rates, specifically cancers of the digestion system, are seeing significant increases among young people born since the 90s. It would be foolhardy to opine that gen Z should just live like everyone else did before them and they wouldn't get cancer. You have to identify, isolate, and correct the cause. In my opinion these scary high rates of depression are indicative that the milieu is toxic. Whether social media is the cause or a correlate is beyond my knowledge, but either way solely blaming the parents fails the test.I agree, so I think the solution is better parenting.