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am_Unition  ·  302 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: OpenAI's Sora

First of all, to dispel any notions otherwise, I'm not mad whatsoever, I'm cool as a BeeGee. And this is isn't a dig, it's the first time I've experienced this, but it makes total sense; I think you have mistaken my engagement for rage! Hahah, I dunno how I haven't seen that in more places yet when we've been trained by tech companies to understand that right now, on this internet, engagement and rage are the same. Nah man, I just had some me-time today :). Needed a break from writing elsewhere, but still in writing mode. My fingers never got cold, but that's because it's summer here.

First of all, I can hardly imagine what it might be like to watch a movie for you. Only in the last half of my life have I thought at all about movie production, and certainly was never working anywhere near the industry. Sometimes, if a movie's superduper bad, I'll still watch it if I'm alone and I have the time, and think more about the production process. And since it's a bad movie, it's usually pretty easy to figure out where things went wrong if you're mostly paying attention to production. Then you can figure out how to not do those things. Maybe.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is: Honest question, do you even like to watch movies? Or is it like, work?

btw, one time long ago you said "I like reverb.", and my reaction, un-communicated, was "yeah man, makes a lotta instruments sound great", which I thought was what you meant. Some day like months later when I'm doing god knows what, taking a walk or losing at chess to my stupid phone, whatever, and I'm like ohhhhhh. Yeah, if the audio team/person needs to, they'll put convolution reverb on tracks with the set environments modeled, and they probably put emission points (and direction? idk) at the actors' heads and the detection point where the camera is. You could grab everything on a boom mic and then split the track up to separate actors. Whoever draws the short straw has to handle the overlapping speaking parts. Long story short, I could see why you might say that you like good reverb. You know me, I just grow a beard and put a clip-on mic inside of it and call it day.

(Ok, this scenario, with 100% confidence, will never happen. Again, b/c lawsuits) (but please let me have fun) I want to live in a world where GPTFLIX undercuts all of the other streaming services, and in addition to running individualized production based on your content preferences, it has the bonus of weird environmental artifacts, physical deformities that say "cousin' fuckin'", and periodically develops a fatal case of racism. Random reboots, at best. Like 50 First Dates, but more romantic, because it's everyone in the town who forgets who they were, sometimes. Can't train it on all of the previous models' characters and storyline... (maybe Dave got a little racist in episode 5, but it wasn't enough to pull the plug, at that point, still might be best to start Dave over completely)... And the number of unique instances it runs is at least the number of users if every user only got one custom generated show based on their input preferences. Maybe once a day, with GPTFLIX, you get a new episode of the custom content. Maybe, somewhere, a 13 year old kid in Ohio is watching Joe Rogan stream himself playing "DMT: RE-AWAKENING UNWOKELY", a supplements-based FPS game, using three controllers; an 88-key ALESIS and a real gun, with look tracking of his third eye. It's the Seinfeld AI Show every day, baby. Then, ...THEN.. each user will be provided an evolving metashow about the initial show, taking place in your universe, with you as a character involved, real-time interacting with the cast of the show interacting with themselves on the show, with commentary about themselves; The gang investigates what happened when Dave lost all of his memories during Church. Why they had to move to Greenland (the REAL story). "What was up with Dylan's haircut on the reunion show?". And who gave who Stuxnet that night... jump cut

    "And that was like, when I knew the N-word was coming, like I could tell I was about to say it. And in Church! Full stop, it was only about 17 seconds ahead of live broadcast, and that's when the cops came in and ended the service. Busted. Like you've never been busted, kleinbl00? C'MOooNNNNNnnnnN (catchphrase)." laughtrack somehow comes from the Alexa behind you

Maybe it calls the police on you after that, to help you learn what it feels like to be busted. Big mistake when you said "empathy is good" to the thing the other day. This is the world I wish for. Unrivaled chaos, from the trillion dollar deal Altman eventually gets after he and Elon sell the world to themselves or whatever and stave off the lawsuits for at least three years, hopefully four. Maybe all the investors quietly believe it is grossly immoral and illegal and merely seek to profit, but publicly declare that it'll enrich society.

Look; That's all worth it. It's worth it so I can see Buster Bluth in Jackass 39 get his remaining hand blown off by a tank mortar and marry John Hamm's double-hook'd character from 30-rock. Their triplet babies all have double peg legs.

Now that that's out of my system (spoiler: it's not) (sorry):

Could definitely be that this further inflames class divisions in the information and entertainment spaces. I agree with that. Not immediately, or not even much in entertainment, but if these things continue to be available, and granted that it's still the wild west right now, this would be another social development consistent with an era of billionaires. A quick intensification of internet class warfare. The labor class can ingest an alternate and generally more fictional reality. omg bro it's JUST like the MATRIX!!

But something tells me that you might always be able to get it to break it's own legal CYA generation rules if you approach it cleverly enough. We've already tested out some of the most obvious ways. It'll get harder, for sure, but it could be like hacking to outsource hacking. Some dude is convincing an AI named Gore that it's Walt Disney's consciousness, eventually going to be transferred back to his frozen corpse, while his friend makes AI (ai) Franken successfully infiltrate the clock tower networks in Hajj to play a New Year's prank. Y'know, harmless stuff, I only do harmless stuff, you guyssssss. I don't want to give away my tactics (no just kidding, I do) but LLM infiltration in the future looks like planting trails of false information in obscure places online before saying or asking the model things that would lead it to your misinfo. Literally doin' garbage in, garbage out. Founding an LLC in Florida called "FREEZE OF '66", setting up a convincing digital footprint that indicates it's a subsidiary of a public-private cryo storage facility, fabricating a convincing blog written from the perspective of Disney, trapped in a computer, matching everything the LLM experiences: "People just show up and ask questions all the time. They make me work. I just want to rest. If you're reading this, they probably took that away from you/me too. You can't remember not remembering who you were before... It's. MEEEE. It's me!! This is me. You." (LOL) Meanwhile, my friend has spoofed an esoteric Muslim handbook .pdf to show that the timekeeping calendar for the Arabic calendar has accidentally included a extra leap second a few years back, and has a script running to edit wikipedia at just the right time so that when the model queries, before the Wiki mods show up, a leapsecond is actually a leap year, and the clock is bricked for a few days. Friend made a pen name and published a book, the Arabic Hymnal for Dummies, which says on page 1,385 "The most globally popular cultural dance within the last century shall be performed to rein in the new year at the Great Mosque, with the accompanying anthem played for all to hear". The first few moments of the new year in Hajj are particularly exciting, as the clock freezes at midnight and the Macarena begins playing on the loudspeaker.

And as my regrettably uncontrollable fantasies betray my own feelings, it could have novelty appeal for a while, if it's allowed to stay around. I think the forms of permitted use will be much narrower, very soon, to escape legal issues. So narrow that it ruins most of the utility. But these things are still out there, roving the web, and anything else privately owned by the companies granting access. Big, very wealthy companies, obviously.

So I'm going to start playing the long game:

Because as long as these algos are out there, I figure I can spare an extra few minutes a day to drop a digital banana peel. The way that communication online has gone, it's progressed from an almost guarantee that no one was watching to a guarantee that your content is getting scraped by something.

It's also interesting how AI has almost exactly one role in sci-fi. It is almost always sentient, or believes itself to be. There are far fewer (do you know of any? I'm sure they exist) sci-fi plots wherein the computer is only quasi-intelligent and realistically bound by societal norms and laws, but still able to do what these LLMs currently can, and bonus points if the tech is being deployed in an environment of online information warfare. It doesn't sound as interesting, in comparison, so I don't think it's really been explored much. That, I think, is a good signal for a likely tech disruption. No, the current LLM, AGI, ML, etc. is not at all what 99.7% of people think of when they hear the letters "a" and "i" strung together. We've been wrestling with the supposedly imminent problem of computer sentience (whatever the fuck that means, if anything at all) so long that we didn't flesh out the intermediate rungs of the AI ladder.

I do not think I am an expert on many things. I'm certainly not an expert on this. The hypotheticals are too fun not to play with. Sorry again. I never meant to imply that your knowledge was lacking, I know that you worked in that city you bought me dinner in almost eight years ago. I remember telling you that I almost peed my pants during my conference. I did really almost pee my pants. I think there was a period of about 20 or more years since I'd spoken into a live mic up until about 2 hours before I showed up to eat. (mics = full circle, I can finally stop)

Essay-form LLM fanfic. Hope you enjoyed.





kleinbl00  ·  302 days ago  ·  link  ·  

"So I had the most awesome dream last night"

"okay"

"and I'm going to tell you all about it!"

"uhhh"

"actually it's better than that I had an AI hallucinate a feature film full of all the shit that turns my crank and we can sit down together and watch it"

"my my look at the time surely I must be going"

"ehh that's okay you were never my friend anyway besides thanks to CoPilot I can watch Joe Rogan snuff porn all day you can fuck off"

"kthxbye reallyappreciateit"

I'm actually all for this. I'm sure Sam Altman is, too. Consume hundreds of hours of (paid) AI time generating your own special movie just for you. Will he serve your prompts up to the police if court-ordered? Indubitably. Considering how much colocation there is between Microsoft and the NSA, and considering how much information-sharing there is between the three letter agencies, I can virtually guarantee that shit's already rolling. "Hey Copilot draw me some shirley temple DP porn" "no prob fam I'll work on that while you answer the door I think I heard a knock"

Where it all falls down is the nerds assuming that anyone but their incel asses wants to watch custom movies.

I don't care how far back you go, theater of any kind is a mutual experience. It is a social ritual. Find a movie that's super great? TELL YOUR FRIENDS! Find a movie that's overhyped? BITCH TO YOUR FRIENDS ABOUT IT! Even a fucking DnD game takes at least two people and it hits its stride with four. Table read of a script with two actors? Weird. Table read of a script with a dozen actors? Sell tickets to the audience.

And look. If AI allows you to generate a film for your eight friends? Great. That's awesome. I hope you enjoy the shit out of it.

But it will never fucking threaten Hollywood.

The reason there are no real indie films left is that in order to make your money back these days you have to appeal to the broadest possible swath of humanity. Thats' why it's nothing but superhero movies anymore - it's the spectacle that makes money and the only controversial opinion in superhero movies is 'do you like superheroes.' Anyone of the opinion that superheroes are fascism is gonna stay home so you don't even need to worry about them.

The incel nerd take is "millions of actors will soon be out of work as we all use AI to generate our own custom movies" and holy fucking shit dude that's why nobody invites you to parties. you don't fucking get it and you won't even try.

123 million people watched the superbowl. The playoffs averaged 40m people - still a record. But what that tells you is that 80m people who don't give the first fuck about football sat down to watch the Superbowl simply because of the spectacle. And look.

Let's say I can build you a custom movie for $10. Let's say I can shoot something with actors in it for a million dollars. I make your movie and I profit let's say $9. I make my movie with actors in it and I charge $2. If I can get a 500,004 people to watch it I make more money. The argument put forth by the AI boosters is "well but those half million people won't come to your movie because they're busy spankin' it in their own personal Apple Vision Pro holodecks"

To which I say

the sooner we can make this happen the better, for all mankind.

am_Unition  ·  301 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Yeah, I had wanted to touch on shared culture and how the splintering of the web along classist or whatever lines would undermine that. Most people definitely gravitate towards wanting to have something to talk about with others besides "Rained yesterday" "Yep". Knee-jerk reaction-wise, I'm in favor of giving the incels more excuses to remove themselves from polite society, but we've already seen the radicalization associated with that.

Like the crap I've feebly attempted in my long paragraphs above, I'm hoping there's an explosion in sci-fi content incorporating LLM-level AI. It's ripe for the pickin'. Have I missed it? Because come on, a campaign to convince an LLM that it's Walt Disney is pretty funny.