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mk  ·  4801 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: How Yelp is killing restaurant chains
Although the premise seems sound, there doesn't seem to be any evidence for the claim that Yelp is responsible for a decline in chain restaurant business.

That said, now when I go to a new place, I look for the most highly rated eats on my phone, and they are never the chain restaurants.





kleinbl00  ·  4801 days ago  ·  link  ·  
If nothing else, Yelp is guilty of shaking down pretty much any small business:

http://techcrunch.com/2010/02/24/yelp-class-action-lawsuit/

On the other hand, Yelp doesn't really do much for big business.

From a logical standpoint, one could argue that Yelp has an impact on small businesses that they don't have on large businesses. As Yelp expands, that impact expands. They are, if nothing else, a factor for small business over large business.

I agree with you as to the causality. I haven't read the study; I might now. That said, I used Yelp on my road trip to find places to eat and was handsomely rewarded (I used Hipmunk to find places to stay and was punished mercilessly). Never once did I say "I'm going to hit Applebee's because I know it'll be good." I do the same in my neighborhood, even knowing the "shakedown" they do. If nothing else, Yelp and its ilk have changed the way we interact with businesses... and I think we're just starting to see the tip of the iceberg on this.

mk  ·  4800 days ago  ·  link  ·  
I've heard that about Yelp. I'd happily use an alternate, but you can count on Yelp's large userbase. And I also agree that this is just the tip of the iceberg. We seem to be seeing the tips of so many icebergs these days. :)

I'm curious, what was the issue with Hipmunk? I've used it a few times for flights, and that's worked out well. No so good for hotel search? Punished mercilessly sounds pretty bad. I know that they use orbitz for flights, do they use another service for their hotel search?

kleinbl00  ·  4800 days ago  ·  link  ·  
They use "price" and "ecstasy" which they then cross-reference with TripAdvisor. Okay, fine. However, Hipmunk says this is a good place to stay:

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g60971-d73363-r11...

Compare and contrast:

http://www.yelp.com/biz/howard-johnson-flagstaff http://www.yelp.com/biz/howard-johnson-inn-flagstaff (same place)

Hipmunk lists this shithole as the #3 choice in Flagstaff. Having stayed there, I would say this is right on:

"The lady at the desk, who seemed very nice, told me they only had double rooms, but that she would charge me for a single if I agreed to only 'dirty' one of the beds. Bad sign. So I show up in the room. At 3 am I finally go to get under the covers. I lift the top sheet off the bed, and I kid you not, someone had TAKEN A DUMP right there on the bed."

They hit me for a $10 "key deposit" (cash only - they took the 4 grubby bills I had) to give me a key that didn't work, then ran my card for $85 instead of $52 ("the number is right above it on the keypad!") and tripped the fraud protection on my credit card. On the plus side, they were right across from an auto parts store and (supposedly) a pretty good pizza place (that was closed for renovations). On the minus side, they were right on a busy freeway, across from which was a major BNSF railroad spur, and shared a parking lot with a nightclub that played Mexican polkas until 2am.

So. Yelp: 4 1 star reviews. Hipmunk: #3 in the city by "ecstasy."

mk  ·  4800 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Oof. Note to self: skip the Flagstaff Ho-Jo. Yeah, I just checked 10-21 thru 10-23 and it's #1 in ecstasy. http://www.hipmunk.com/#!Flagstaff+AZ,Oct21.Oct23

EDIT: No wait, my bad that's a different Ho-Jo, it seems. Looks like there's two.

Sure you didn't book the wrong Ho-Jo? The route 66 ones seems pretty far down in ecstasy. :)

kleinbl00  ·  4800 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Interesting. An hour ago it was #3. Now it's like #12. And yes, I checked.
mk  ·  4800 days ago  ·  link  ·  
Don't worry you are probably not going crazy. I sent one of the Hipmunkers the link, and they might have jumped on it.

The one thing I respect, is that they are crazy serious about feedback.