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Astral  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Know your roots

The reference to 4chan was great though, 4chanistan. In fact, I would say that's an amazing metaphor. The beginning of these "civilizations" and it's always causing trouble.





BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·  

To be honest, I really didn't catch the meaning of the reference. Would you mind explaining some more?

kleinbl00  ·  4338 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Not sure how intentional it was; much of the comic is dead references and stale memes that were once funny and topical but in looking back read like "parts is parts" or "where's the beef." "4chanistan" was a phrase that was bandied about backintheday.

That said, it is an interesting analogy in that Afghanistan has long been known as "the graveyard of empires" because the last European power to hold it for any length of time was Alexander the Great and it was the death of his empire (and of his person). Britain crumbled upon its exit from Afghanistan, as did the Soviet Union. Western culture, on the other hand, pretty much owes its existence to the indo-Iranian tribes that came off the steppes of Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan and, to a lesser extent, Afghanistan; they were the original "Aryans" and looked a lot more like Dolph Lundgren than Muhammed Karzai (the current ethnic makeup of the region is due to Ghengis Khan and Tamerlane, much as the ethnic makeup of Spain and Italy is due to the Moorish conquests and the ethnic makeup of Mexico is due to the Spanish invasion).

Something Astral may not be aware of is the fact that "-istan" simply means "land" and that the region was never national (nationalism being an outcome of Enlightenment europe, where the notions of "countries" took precedence over "peoples"). Much as Pakistan isn't a name, it's an acronym (Punjabistan, Afghanistan, Kashmir, Sindh and BaluchISTAN) "/b/" is not one big homogeneous mess of "foreigners" it's a diverse and historic ecosystem. And, much like large portions of the Arab world don't give the first shit about our culture, vast swaths of 4chan don't give a fuck about Reddit or Digg (or whatever follows).

Nonetheless, there is a pretty much continual line of diaspora through most of the major online communities. It's not commonly known, but much of the growth in /r/fffffffuuuuuuuuuuuu is directly attributable to /b/. Reddit's structure simply lends itself better to communication via rage comic than 4chan's does. Is f7u12 "patient zero" for the 4chanization of Reddit? Who can say? The point being, analogies can be drawn between foreign policy and online message boards, and if you use floral language and lots of tangential references, people will even believe them.

Astral  ·  4334 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I did not know "-istan" means land, but it certainly makes sense!

BLOB_CASTLE  ·  4337 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Wow, incredibly informative. Thank you very much.