I have been a bit quiet of late. I have been sick.
I'm not sure what I caught, but it's taking a long time to resolve.
I did get a flu shot, although I'm not sure if it was a flu.
I know this has been an unusually heavy flu season, and it makes me wonder if the flu shot can have the unintended effect of advancing different strains, or even promoting non-flu viruses amongst a population. Probably not, but that is why they call them 'unintended' consequences.
At any rate, I am getting better. In my downtime, I have been working on some updates to the Hubski UI. So there may be some interesting changes coming before long.
Yeah they didn't put H1N2 in the flu shot this year and that's what's going around. So it's more of a preview of what would happen without a flu shot than a problem with super bugs. On a side not, always finish your antibiotics, boys and girls. Nobody likes super bugs.
get well. an sorry I dropped the ball a bit on tin-can. my wife sez I gotta do work that pays first. she is a horrible person ;)
Usually I'm heavily in favour of vaccines, but I honestly cannot recommend flu vaccination.
Before you burn me as a heretic, this is the reason I don't get flu shots (even though I would get them for free): http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD001269... Hope you get better mk ;)Authors of this review assessed all trials that compared vaccinated people with unvaccinated people. The combined results of these trials showed that under ideal conditions (vaccine completely matching circulating viral configuration) 33 healthy adults need to be vaccinated to avoid one set of influenza symptoms. In average conditions (partially matching vaccine) 100 people need to be vaccinated to avoid one set of influenza symptoms. Vaccine use did not affect the number of people hospitalised or working days lost but caused one case of Guillian-Barré syndrome (a major neurological condition leading to paralysis) for every one million vaccinations. Fifteen of the 36 trials were funded by vaccine companies and four had no funding declaration. Our results may be an optimistic estimate because company-sponsored influenza vaccines trials tend to produce results favorable to their products and some of the evidence comes from trials carried out in ideal viral circulation and matching conditions and because the harms evidence base is limited..
This review includes 15 out of 36 trials funded by industry (four had no funding declaration). An earlier systematic review of 274 influenza vaccine studies published up to 2007 found industry funded studies were published in more prestigious journals and cited more than other studies independently from methodological quality and size. Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines. The review showed that reliable evidence on influenza vaccines is thin but there is evidence of widespread manipulation of conclusions and spurious notoriety of the studies. The content and conclusions of this review should be interpreted in light of this finding.
My understanding is that flu vaccines aren't aimed at healthy adults, who can usually fight off flu symptoms themselves. Generally, widespread vaccination of adults protects infants, the elderly, and those with compromised immune systems from getting the flu from adults, since it is more deadly in those populations. Whether or not healthy adults can avoid flu symptoms with a vaccine isn't the primary concern from a public health perspective, even though that appeared to be the sole population studied in the systematic review.
Yeah, but it does that badly, that's the problem. It has a potential NNT of 100, which is a high number for such a common disease (in the case of a NNT of 36 in a perfect case, it's not that bad though). The high NNT also means that it is less likely to achieve any kind of herd protection.
Compared to for example the measles vaccine with a NNT of ~7, a 100 seems quite high (disclosure: but this is actually a tricky comparison and may not be fair for the flu vaccine. The NNT is heavily influenced by the baseline risk of actually getting the disease. If the baseline risk is very high to get sick in the first place, which is often the case for classic childhood disease like measles or varicella, the NNT is usually much lower even with a less effective vaccine. The NNT for the HPV vaccine against cervical cancer is somewhere in the range of 5000-8000 because of the low baseline risk of getting the disease). Furthermore, even the wikipedia article (which I object somewhat to) agrees on the fact, that for at least for the elderly, it's not very effective: And citing from the Cochrane review: In the end, these results are most likely to be too optimistic, (at least) half the studies were funded by pharmaceutical companies and while I don't want to say you cannot trust them at all, you have to take them with a pinch of salt, especially in regard of how much money they make with flu-vaccination. I do not want to say: "DO NOT GET VACCINATED", especially if you are somehow immunocompromised, be it age (old or very young) or due to some underlying disease (diabetes, etc.), the benefits easily outweighs the risks.The group most vulnerable to non-pandemic flu, the elderly, is also the least to benefit from the vaccine.
which probably isn't to blame on the vaccine alone, but also on the less robust immunologic response of the elderly.In children under the age of two the data are extremely limited, but vaccination appeared to confer no measurable benefit.
Studies funded from public sources were significantly less likely to report conclusions favorable to the vaccines
Can you clarify by what you mean with regards to your quotes about children and the elderly? If vaccination does not confer benefits to children and elderly, wouldn't that imply that the herd effect from mass vaccination would in fact be good for them and those who cannot get the vaccine? Perhaps I am misunderstanding. Does the NTT being high for healthy adults (which is what the study measured) necessarily mean that there is no benefit for those who cannot get vaccinated? Your point is well taken regarding the study funding. Did you read the fantastic WaPo expose of GSK from a few months back?
Sorry, my reply lacked a little bit of structure. Yes, this is correct (but of course it also implies that we have an effective vaccine for healthy people). If the vaccine is a perfect match, than the NNT might actually suffice when there would be a high amount of vaccination (I've found a study that got a NNT of 25 to achieve a protective herd effect)...perhaps I've been a little to rash in my statement. Right now I think it's safe to say that vaccination rates are not nearly high enough to provide herd immunity, but it may perhaps be actually possible with very high rate of vaccination (I'm no epidemiologist, so don't take my word as gospel). Added-before-I-pressed-reply: I actually found a study where children around the age of 3-15 were vaccinated and there was a significant herd immunization effect. The study says that you'd need about 80% of the children (because they are the main early vectors for spreading the virus) in a society vaccinated to achieve this. --> I'm most likely wrong As for the article you've linked..I'm afraid pharmaceutical companies are a necessary evil...but sometimes it's really depressing.Does the NTT being high for healthy adults (which is what the study measured) necessarily mean that there is no benefit for those who cannot get vaccinated?
If vaccination does not confer benefits to children and elderly, wouldn't that imply that the herd effect from mass vaccination would in fact be good for them and those who cannot get the vaccine?
I saw this and thought of you:A U.S. government analysis of this season's flu vaccine suggests it was effective in only 56 percent of people who got the shot, and it largely failed to protect the elderly against an especially deadly strain circulating during flu season.
Hope you have a speedy recovery! That's just more proof that you never stop working on this site.
This year was a heavy flu year for me. I couldn't read or watch TV because of a fever and a pounding headache and coughing fits. It always happens to me if I have some days off. During workdays the flu does't affect me that much (too many distractions?). I don't believe in flu medication. This is something you have to tough out and it only makes you stronger for the next attack. But going back to work really helped. In three days I was feeling much better. I only don't hope I have been spreading it to others.
I've never gotten the flu shot and never intend to.
My brother in law - an ER doctor - said that the flu vaccine isn't effective this year. I read a really good article about how they have to guess what strains of flu will be present ahead of flu season. Anyway, hope you feel better.
Word I get is that is nearly 100% on A and about 50% on B.(cdc)[http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6202a4.htm?s_cid=...] so it sucks if you get b c or bird.
I had the same thing honey. Everyone at work had it. I didn't have the flu shot (every time I get it I seem to get the flu, and the years I didn't get it I was fine!) but it was miserable. 2 weeks of being exhausted, unable to focus, coughing, hacking, sneezing, wheezing, nausea, and sleeppppp all the time.