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kleinbl00  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Bitcoin Could Change Voting the Way It's Changed Money

    The problems lie in the inadequate infrastructure around its use, which wouldn't transfer to voting.

Other than trust, which is pretty much the most important aspect of voting. That's essentially my point.

    The important thing about voting protocols is that you don't need a chain of custody you can trust; you can tally the votes yourself, and verify which camp you were counted toward.

You are mistaken on this point. Because the average voter doesn't understand hashing and data encryption, a candidate need only say "my tally is different than the 'official' one" and the election is called into question.





firethief  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

    Other than trust, which is pretty much the most important aspect of voting. That's essentially my point.

I'm not sure what you mean. A cryptographic approach requires less trust than any other.

    You are mistaken on this point. Because the average voter doesn't understand hashing and data encryption, a candidate need only say "my tally is different than the 'official' one" and the election is called into question.

The average voter needn't know what cryptographic systems are involved any more than they need to know how credit card payments are processed when they're typing in their PIN. Any candidate could claim they've won, but that's just as true now and it's never been a problem, as we don't trust the candidates to do the counting.

kleinbl00  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I mean that "public trust" is the most important aspect of any vote. You seem to discount this. That's where the "mandate" comes from - voting is not a mathematical exercise, it's a popularity contest. Expecting the populace to put their trust in a system they know almost entirely for its frailty is naive. Arguing that their trust is irrelevant is equally so.

firethief  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oh, I'd thought you were arguing against the technology.

Well I certainly agree that a lot of people won't trust it, and it may take quite some time before it will be popular enough to enter mainstream political discourse.

kleinbl00  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I don't have near the expertise to argue against the technology. I agree that there's no reason, technologically speaking, it can't work. However, it's the trust issues that are going to keep this out of serious consideration.

cgod  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Maybe some of our existing trust issues could help people come around.

kleinbl00  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

I was pretty big into Black Box Voting/Open Source Voting back in 2004; that election was straight-up stolen. Thing is, it was stolen easily and as far as voting reforms go, the biggest one is getting the kids and minorities to show up.

Frankly? I think the whole country should just go absentee. Keep your receipt. Any questions? Revote.

cgod  ·  3885 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Oregon is vote by mail. You can go to a polling place and cast a vote if there was a reconcilable problem with your ballot but other wise all by mail. I don't know of any problems with the system and it helps push turn out up a bit. So Fuck Yea! Lets have Vote by mail!