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cgod  ·  11 days ago  ·  link  ·    ·  parent  ·  post: Hubski is not what it once was —

I've left Hubski a few times. Mostly because y'all were ignoring bad actors and telling me I was being mean and over reacting. Honestly the bad taste has never left my mouth. If you feel like stopping, I'm here to tell you that you should. Staying here when it's pissing you off isn't worth it. I have come and have each time ended up being less involved that previously in the community, I still get something out of it but just not as involved. Take that break, hope it's not forever but maybe a hard disconnect would be good for you.

I'm just have a little bit to say about the heart.

As someone who knows a recipient of a heart transplant rather well, all caution has to be taken when you have a heart transplant.

You are expected to get all possible vaccinations. You are expected to live your life in a cautious manner that will reduce exposure to pathogens. You are supposed to avoid shared bathroom situations, including having roommates. Your life changes a lot when you have a donated heart. Your immune system has to be suppressed because your body wants to kill that fucking heart cause it does not belong to you. Because of your compromised immune system any disease or infection is a real big deal.

Competition for that heart is massive, getting it is a big deal. Chances are you wont get a heart and if you do don't expect to live to a ripe old age.

    My overall point in that thread is that we no longer need to exclude anyone from anything because they don’t have the covid vaccine.
meh.

Getting that heart is like becoming an astronaut it's really hard and if you get there the pressure and responsibility level is massive. If you won't stop drinking, smoking, if you are over weight, if you won't get all your vaccinations than you don't qualify. Someone else is going to do all those things and the chance that they get a few more life years out of that heart are more than likely. There are more people who need a heart than there are hearts, that heart will not go to waste.

The journey of my friend and his heart is just epic. His friends have spent thousands of hours helping him get there, helping him stay alive. I'm just a tiny part of that story and I've supported him financially and physically many many times. The amount of man hours that go into keeping him alive is somewhat astounding. He would never not get a vaccine or have a beer or a smoke, it's 100% dedication for the rest of his short days, he's already made further than many people hoped.

The story of the girl is sad but it's not unreasonable.

I think the person who was mean to you probably has had to go through a lot when it comes to their heart. It's hard to understand the difficulty that entails, it's a lot of time, fear, suffering and uncertainty. I have some sympathy. I also think that person is a dick otherwise in many ways but WTE.

I'll leave you with a song until next time. Be glad if/when you come back.





thenewgreen  ·  9 days ago  ·  link  ·  

Appreciate the thoughtful comment, cgod.

    I've left Hubski a few times. Mostly because y'all were ignoring bad actors and telling me I was being mean and over reacting
You were right. wasoxygen was right and so many others. Please accept my (I think I can say, "our") apology.

    As someone who knows a recipient of a heart transplant rather well, all caution has to be taken when you have a heart transplant.
I am sure that these precautions are well warranted. Again, and with emphasis, I think this young women's parents are FUCKING INSANE for not getting her vaccinated in order to get a heart transplant. Full stop.

The point I was clumsily trying to make is that the covid vaccine, like the flu vaccine, isn't terribly effective and I no longer think it should be mandated, in general.

However, I am DEF not a physician and if the reason that a heart transplant recipient should get the vaccine is because even though it is only nominally effective, it's still a safeguard, that tracks

    If you won't stop drinking, smoking, if you are over weight, if you won't get all your vaccinations than you don't qualify
Makes sense. If you're not willing to take these measures, and someone else is, then the more compliant person should become the custodian of that new heart.

    The story of the girl is sad but it's not unreasonable.
The most unreasonable part are the parents. I tried to make that point and simultaneously point out that if I could go back in time I wouldn't have had my children (thankfully not in need of a heart transplant) get the covid vaccine. Not because I am anti vax. My kids are fully compliant with the vaccine schedule, but because it's unnecessary. They're healthy and not in any danger from Covid. I wouldn't have had them get the hpv vaccine at birth either. Why? They're not in any danger of contracting hpv as a baby. But the others, I would do again. My father-in-law, he should definitely be getting the covid vaccine. He's older and not in the best shape.

In short, it's okay to question the need for medical mandates. it's a conversation worth having. Vaccines are BIG business in the US. As a Pharma company, getting your drug on the vaccine schedule is the golden ticket. Every newborn is your customer, there is no risk of liability. That sort of incentive is corrupting. We should be skeptical. Having said that, vaccines are among our greatest achievements. Amazing science/medicine

    I think the person who was mean to you probably has had to go through a lot when it comes to their heart. It's hard to understand the difficulty that entails, it's a lot of time, fear, suffering and uncertainty. I have some sympathy. I also think that person is a dick otherwise in many ways but WTE.
And I could have empathy for that person, if they weren't such a complete asshole. So much anger these days and LOT's of assumptions. "If you think this, then you must think this." It's exhausting.

I am rooting for your friend. If he has a go-fund-me, post it here. I'd be glad to help and perhaps others would too?

Thanks for the song, while I take the Hubski hiatus, I'll be checking in on that weeklymusicthread. See you there.

Onward!