For my NYE resolution for 2012 I gave up eating meat, just to see if I could. Turned out I can but I decided to begin eating it again as of July 4th 2012 -only making it 6 months. I was in great health and felt pretty good.
My wife is a vegetarian and I think it's time I give it another go. Especially after watching this video.
Any vegetarians on Hubski?
Wooooo! Vegetarians! I have become one too. Well, not really. We still eat fish, but I don't like to say I'm pescetarian, for two reasons: first, it sounds like I worship fish (Note: I do not worship fish). Second, the logic behind naming these terms is entirely uneven. Carnivore and omnivore are words that tell us the set of things one eats. Vegetarian sounds like it tells us what one eats, but really implies what one doesn't eat, but only by leaving meat out of the word, as if it were conspicuously absent -- clearly a word embraced by non-meat eaters for use in a meat-centric society. Pescetarian is even more misleading: is there anyone, besides Gollum, who only eats fish? (I now fully expect to learn the name of a tribe which eats only fish). If we can't, as a group of English speakers, get our egrets in an ellipse on this one, we'd better just go ahead and outsource the job. I think the Germans could put together a very consistent lexicon on the subject for us, and ahead of schedule too, but let's entertain all possibilities. But regarding veggie-centered dining, we undertook it first as an experiment. Part of that experiment, though I only told a select few about this facet, was to see whether my non-ethically motivated practice _became_ an ethically justified practice along the way. I suspected that it would, being one who suspects that all beliefs are self-confirming, especially when crystallized through some variety of practice). Sure enough, it did. Self-fulfilling prophecy? There is no double-blind version of this one, I'm afraid. My ethical shifts haven't been drastic, I guess. I never was at peace with the business of killing animals which underpins much of "our" diet, and am even less so now. My sense of the connection and ethical accountability between life of different species has grown much stronger. All the while, I realize that, taken to its logical extreme, a world without death is impossible -- barring unprecedented shifts in the lay of the metaphysical landscape. I think often of the paradox of the devout Jainist sweeping bugs out of his path. How many unsuspecting bugs have been needlessly maimed by zealous sweeping? And if we save all the bugs, we still have the microorganisms to weigh upon our consciousness. In fact, I think that without some of these, the very digestion of food is impossible. I guess I mainly want to cause as little suffering as possible, or to state it positively, to be a part of healthy ecosystems and symbiotic relationships which create as much harmony and wellness as possible. For whom, would be the question begged, and who better to bring it up but a host of the extinct, displaced by a long sequence of invasive species. Meanwhile, I'm going to keep eating lots of veggies and skipping the meat, and this, mainly for hedonistic reasons: it feels really good. Cheers on your shift thenewgreen! Keep me posted.
I was vegetarian for maybe two, or two and a half years, with a nine month vegan stint in there. It was for moral reasons - I believe that animal suffering is, well, bad. I had to go vegan because it was the logical extension of vegetarianism (since animals also suffer in egg and milk production). But one day I sort of just... stopped. In a sense I'm morally bankrupt - I never really changed my mind, philosophically speaking. My return from veganism to vegetarianism was based on the fact that I was no longer convinced that a vegan diet is particularly healthy. I know mine wasn't. Actually, I lost a lot of weight, and don't have much to lose in the first place. These days I am skeptical of any assertion about nutrition one way or the other... I always remember people asking me what I ate, with an incredulous tone, as though being vegan or vegetarian meant that you basically starved. In reality, my diet became much more varied as a result of the change.
That's the word - variety. As I said in my comment, I end up eating vegetarian meals at least a few times a week because I enjoy a variety of foods and cuisines. I think in general, it can be difficult to get the kind of variety I'm after from the supermarket. A lot of the vegetables, even the organic ones go through all kinds of nutrient sapping processes by the time they arrive at the supermarket. Yes, the quality of vegetables grown in greenhouses has become much better, but it's hard to make sure they get everything they'd get growing outside. Of course, I realize that vegetables grown in a garden might get things that aren't beneficial from soil and groundwater, but even so, I much prefer my vegetables to get sunlight and to interact with pollinators and whatever else. Do you really feel that you're morally bankrupt because of the way that your eating habits changed? With the economy the way it is, I had hoped that more people in my part of the country would have started raising animals for sale, but unfortunately that's not the case. It takes a lot of time and care to raise animals for slaughter in a healthy and humane way, not to mention quite a lot of resources, but still, I had hoped. I am doing my best to eat healthfully but in this country it's tougher than I think it should be, not to mention more expensive than I think is right.
I think there might be something to be said about the difference between the logical aspect and the affective aspect of a particular moral belief. I can feel that something is bad despite believing on a rational level that it isn't, and vice versa - when I was vegetarian, I believed animal suffering was wrong, but I didn't later feel bad about eating meat.Do you really feel that you're morally bankrupt because of the way that your eating habits changed?
A little bit. Like I said, the reasons I went vegetarian (and subsequently vegan) never disappeared - I still believe that the suffering of animals for the purposes of human consumption is bad. Somewhere along the line I just stopped caring, or lost my conviction or something, and I'm not particularly happy about that. Particularly so because I'd generally assert that all people should be mindful of what they do, and here I am ignoring my own moral dilemmas.
I'm not a vegetarian, but I often end up eating vegetarian meals. Meat runs up a grocery bill pretty quickly if you're concerned about the quality and source of your meat in the U.S. Personally I enjoy meat, but in the U.S. I find that the quality of meat is pretty poor. The chicken that people eat is generally flavorless due to being raised on feed and the flesh is disturbingly soft due to living in cages. Even the "free range" chickens tend to be low on flavor from what I've found. All of these animals need a variety of food sources to be healthy, which means allowing them to browse and eat what they want. I understand why animals aren't raised like this in America, but it's a shame that the state of meat production in the U.S. is so poor. By raising animals in this way, the fats of the animals we generally eat contains very little if any Omega 3 or 6 fats, essentially making the fat completely worthless except as a source of moisture and minimal flavor. If you get the opportunity to travel to a country where animals are raised in an environment where they can browse for food, (I don't mean free range, because that's just FDA jargon for who-knows-what) with a friend who hasn't traveled much, gauge their reaction to how the meat tastes. If they're used to American food, the reaction will often be that the meat is chewy, or it has a strong animal taste and often they will want "normal" chicken, pork, beef, whatever, not realizing that what they think of as "normal" food is very far from the norm world-wide. Anyway, sorry for the tangent. I think eating vegetarian is a good option, though there are certain considerations that people should take. For example, soy products are full of plant estrogens, as are canned tomatoes. Iron can also be an issue for people making the transition into vegetarianism as most people who eat meat get quite a lot of it from their food and so don't really think about it. Also, eating seasonally and locally can be tough if you're from an area that suffers from harsh winters. I'd guess though, that as your wife is a vegetarian already, she's probably got that stuff figured out.
It only lasted 6 months. :( My wife is a vegetarian though so I don't eat much meat at all. Still, there's nothing like a nice burger...
There's no need to feel guilty for still eating meat. The fact you have cut down is hugely positive already. It can take a while to transition. I happen to date a vegan who's studying nutrition and is an awesome chef, so I can tell you that it is possible to eat a satisfying and tasty plant based diet. Just give yourself time for your body to slowly adapt. Alternatively you can take the shock route and watch Earthlings - a.k.a. the vegan converter.
There's no need to feel guilty for still eating meat.
-I don't. I only feel guilty that I didn't accomplish a goal that I set out to achieve. The idea was to stop eating meat for 1 year. I had always planned on returning. It had to do with self-dicipline. I failed.It can take a while to transition. I happen to date a vegan who's studying nutrition and is an awesome chef, so I can tell you that it is possible to eat a satisfying and tasty plant based diet.
-Completely agree and have experienced it personally. BUT... the "meat like" products do not come close (for the most part) to satisfying the flavor, texture and savoriness of meat.
I'm an almost vegetarian, but I haven't made the leap to complete vegetarianism. I eat meat rarely. I can't quite figure out how to get off it completely. I respect those who can, but it's so ubiquitous and cheap that often it's the 'easier' choice to make.
With so many meat alternatives it has never been easier to be vegetarian or vegan. It can still be socially challenging, specially when eating out. However, once one decides to make the moral choice of ending suffering, no amount of "temptation" or peer pressure can overturn it. I admit I still liked the smell of meat for years after becoming veggie. But concurrent with the smell was the mental image of the animal being slaughtered which was a way more powerful factor for me. Now I find the smell of burnt flesh, milk or eggs is quite disgusting. The human body is amazing at adapting to new habits.
Hang on, burnt flesh smells gross to most people. Burnt and cooked are not the same. I understand what you're saying about meat alternatives, but why make meat alternatives that closely resemble meat products? For example, I ate some meatless nuggets one time that were indistinguishable from chicken nuggets, which were good but it seems like embracing a meatless lifestyle while eating foods engineered to resemble meat is flirting with temptation.
Burnt was the wrong choice of word (English isn't my first language). I meant cooked. I agree, it's a silly idea. But such products can aid people in a transition period while they adapt to a plant based diet. The same way smokers use nicotine patches to let go of smoking, meat eaters have just a hard time to let go of the meat "addiction" : )...but why make meat alternatives that closely resemble meat products?
Ah ok. If you don't mind my asking, what is your first language? I can understand that line of reasoning. Perhaps the vegans I know are not representative of trends in consumption for vegans as a broad group, but some of those products seem to make their way into their meals with some regularity. To use the context of your analogy, it's like a smoker who uses an e-cigarette once in a while instead of quitting completely. As I mentioned elsewhere in this thread, I am not a vegetarian or vegan, but I try not to consume very much meat. Good quality vegetables can be quite expensive where I live though, unfortunately.
Portuguese. Well, just like with any diet, you have to be a good chef to be able to cook flavoursome food from raw ingredients. Sadly these days, I don't think many people have a strong skill of cooking, and although vegans tend to make an extra effort, sometimes we also lack creativity. Hence why we fall for the meat substitute stuff. I've been phasing out processed vegan food from my diet for a while. At the moment, I'd say that less than half of my meals contain maybe a bit of tofu. Everything else is from fresh ingredients, many of which I grow myself in the garden. Those are the tastiest : )...what is your first language?
I've been trying to phase out processed foods myself, but in a region with four seasons it can be hard to do. In an ideal world, I'd have a sprawling garden where I'd grow most of my own food, so lucky you! I agree that most people in general are not strong cooks because they don't need to be. It must be difficult sometimes as a vegan, especially living in an area where vegan products may not be as available and so there is limited variety.
If I recognize the suffering animals in industrial farm conditions undergo, these farms begin to look worse than concentration camps. At least Gypsies and Jews had a marginal chance to survive. I have difficulty eating animals that feel pain in a similar way to the difficulty I have eating infant babies or humans with disabilities.
When they do, I think people will be disappointed how bland it tastes. Even with regular meat it's the (vegan) ingredients that give it flavour ; )